MATOC Small Business Set-Asides

Started by j_dude77 · Feb 13, 2017 · 68 replies

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    j_dude77

    Feb 13, 2017 · 9y ago

    Original post

    This question is just for knowledge. I want to establish a multiple award IDIQ. I want to set it aside so that only 8(a), HUBZone, SDVOSB and EDWOSB can compete for awards. Is there anything preventing me from establishing this type of set-aside?

    I had someone ask me if this is possible, and I believe it is. I could not find anything in the regulations that says you cannot.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 13, 2017 · 9y ago

    j_dude77, 

    FAR 6.101( a ) states:

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    10 U.S.C. 2304 and 41 U.S.C. 3301 require, with certain limited exceptions (see Subparts 6.2 and 6.3), that contracting officers shall promote and provide for full and open competition in soliciting offers and awarding Government contracts.

    What you are proposing is not full and open competition. Therefore, you must meet an exception. What exception would you cite?

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    FAR 6.203. Set it aside for specific categories of small business. Who says you can't?

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    Matthew Fleharty

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    I agree with Vern as to the general exception one would cite for setting the acquisition aside for one or multiple socioeconomic categories; however, when setting up the 8(a) and EDWOSB set-asides be sure to comply with their more unique set-aside requirements.

    I'd talk to your SBA representative regarding getting multiple 8(a)s onto the IDIQ contracts.

    As for EDWOSB, see 19.1505...the more unique requirement is that the NAICS code(s) for your IDIQ must be underrepresented (for more information go to: https://www.sba.gov/contracting/government-contracting-programs/women-owned-small-businesses/what-you-need-know-if-you-are-federal-contracting-officer).

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    j_dude77

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern,

    No one said I could not. I was just asked if it was possible. 

    Matthew, I am aware of the EDWOSB NAICS requirements. 

    I appreciate everyone's input.

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    ji20874

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Another opinion for j_dude77's consideration...

    You want to let 8(a), HUBZone, SDVOSB and EDWOSB firms compete, but not all small businesses?  Not regular SBs, not WOSBs?  If you did a simple set-aside for all small businesses, you would be covered by FAR 6.203.  But there is no authority for a mix-and-match approach.  Your authority for a set-aside has to be one of the options in FAR 6.203 (all small businesses), 6.204 (8(a)), 6.205 (HUBZone), 6.206 (service-disabled veteran-owned), 6.207 (EDWOSB or WOSB), or 6.208 (local firms during a disaster or emergency).  Take you pick.

    Vern Edwards said:

    FAR 6.203. Set it aside for specific categories of small business. Who says you can't?

    I generally agree with reading things as broadly as possible. But here, as Don already pointed out, we have regulation that requires full and open competition unless a limited exception applies (FAR 6.101(a)).  All of the above (FAR 6.203 (all small businesses), 6.204 (8(a)), 6.205 (HUBZone), 6.206 (service-disabled veteran-owned), 6.207 (EDWOSB or WOSB), or 6.208 (local firms during a disaster or emergency)) are authorized exceptions.  A mix-and-match approach is not one of the approved limited exceptions.

    Best wishes.

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    C Culham

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    I suspect further discussion should be deferred to another thread noting the WIFCON basic rule "to be easy" on Beginner original posts.  I see the tip of the iceberg as to where this thread may get confusing..

    I say this noting that while I get what ji and Don are trying to say I wonder how their positions balance with 13 CFR 125.2(e)(3) & (4)?

    Conclusion -  my suggestion to the OP is to discuss their idea with the small business contact within his or her agency.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Here is FAR 6.203:

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    6.203 Set-asides for small business concerns.

    (a) To fulfill the statutory requirements relating to small business concerns, contracting officers may set aside solicitations to allow only such business concerns to compete. This includes contract actions conducted under the Small Business Innovation Research Program established under Pub. L. 97-219.

    (b) No separate justification or determination and findings is required under this part to set aside a contract action for small business concerns.

    (c) subpart 19.5 prescribes policies and procedures that shall be followed with respect to set-asides.

    Now, where does that say that you must include all categories of small businesses in a set-aside? Where does it say that you cannot include only certain categories of small businesses? How can it be interpreted to prevent the OP from doing what he or she wants to do? I say that FAR 6.203 says nothing that prevents a set-aside that includes only certain categories of small businesses.

    Now, what does FAR Subpart 19.5 say? Any prohibition there?

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    Retreadfed

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    ji, there is a nuance to competitive small business set asides that you have missed.  Under CICA, such competition is considered full and open competition.  Thus, the so called "exceptions" you have identified are not exceptions to full and open competition, but are a form of full and open competition.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Retreadfed said:

    ji, there is a nuance to competitive small business set asides that you have missed.  Under CICA, such competition is considered full and open competition.  Thus, the so called "exceptions" you have identified are not exceptions to full and open competition, but are a form of full and open competition.

    From FAR 6.101(a): 

    Don Mansfield said:

    with certain limited exceptions (see Subparts 6.2 and 6.3)

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    Retreadfed

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don, see, FAR 6.200 (This subpart prescribes policy and procedures for providing for full and open competition after excluding one or more sources.)

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    j_dude77 said:

    I want to establish a multiple award IDIQ. I want to set it aside so that only 8(a), HUBZone, SDVOSB and EDWOSB can compete for awards. Is there anything preventing me from establishing this type of set-aside?

    Does anybody see anything in FAR Part 6 or Subpart 19.5 or in 13 CFR that prevents the award of such a multiple award IDIQ. I haven't found anything.

    The issue is not whether such an acquisition would be a good idea. The issue is whether it would violate statute, regulation, or policy. In the absence of an express restriction, I don't see any reason to go out of the way to interpret FAR 6.203 as restrictively as possible. If you can restrict set-asides to individual special categories, why not to a set of special categories? I presume that the CO will be able to document the file as to why each of the individual categories were included in the set. I don't see why reaching agency set-aside goals would not be an adequate reason.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Retreadfed said:

    Don, see, FAR 6.200 (This subpart prescribes policy and procedures for providing for full and open competition after excluding one or more sources.)

    So what? FAR 6.101(a) clearly refers to subparts 6.2 & 6.3 for exceptions to the requirement for full and open competition. There's nothing wrong with ji referring to the procedures in subpart 6.2 as exceptions to the requirement for full and open competition.

    A set-aside would not meet the definition of "full and open competition" at FAR 2.101, so I see no basis in your claim that a set-aside "is considered" full and open competition.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    Does anybody see anything in FAR Part 6 or Subpart 19.5 or in 13 CFR that prevents the award of such a multiple award IDIQ. I haven't found anything. In the absence of an express restriction, I don't see any reason to go out of the way to interpret FAR 6.203 as restrictively as possible.

    Ok, what provisions and clauses are you going to use in your solicitation?

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    Here is FAR 6.203:

    Now, where does that say that you must include all categories of small businesses in a set-aside? Where does it say that you cannot include only certain categories of small businesses? How can it be interpreted to prevent the OP from doing what he or she wants to do? I say that FAR 6.203 says nothing that prevents a set-aside that includes only certain categories of small businesses.

    Now, what does FAR Subpart 19.5 say? Any prohibition there?

    FAR 6.203 permits the limitation of competition to the set of small business concerns. According to your interpretation of FAR 6.203, we can limit competition to the set of small business concerns and defined subsets. If that's the way to interpret this section, can I limit competition to small business concerns located in California?

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don Mansfield said:

    Ok, what provisions and clauses are you going to use in your solicitation?

    You want a list of all the solicitation provisions and clauses? Get lost. Now, if you've got something to say on the matter, say it.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    No, the ones you will use to notify offerors of the set-aside. For example:

    52.219-3 Notice of HUBZone Set-Aside or Sole Source Award.

    52.219-6 Notice of Total Small Business Set-Aside.

    52.219-7 Notice of Partial Small Business Set-Aside.

    52.219-18 Notification of Competition Limited to Eligible 8(a) Concerns.

    52.219-27 Notice of Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business Set-Aside.

    52.219-29 Notice of Set-Aside for, or Sole Source Award to, Economically Disadvantaged Women-Owned Small Business Concerns.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don Mansfield said:

    FAR 6.203 permits the limitation of competition to the set of small business concerns. According to your interpretation of FAR 6.203, we can limit competition to the set of small business concerns and defined subsets. If that's the way to interpret this section, can I limit competition to small business concerns located in California?

    FAR 6.203(c) refers the reader to the policies and procedures in FAR Subpart 19.5. FAR 19.000, Scope of Part, paragraph (a)(3) says that part 19 covers:

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    Setting acquisitions aside for exclusive competitive participation by small business, 8(a) participants, HUBZone small business concerns, service-disabled veteran-owned small business concerns, and economically disadvantaged women-owned small business (EDWOSB) concerns and women-owned small business (WOSB) concerns eligible under the WOSB Program[.]

    FAR 19.502-4 tells contracting officers that they may, at their discretion, set aside one or more contract awards for "any" of the small business concerns identified in 19.000(a)(3).

    I would use only the subsets of small business expressly mentioned in FAR and in 13 CFR. Nothing in FAR or in 13 CFR identifies classes of small businesses located in particular cities, counties, states, or geographical regions (except HUBZones). They establish a class of 8(a) small businesses, but not 8(a) small businesses located in Los Angeles. So I wouldn't interpret FAR 6.203 that freely. Moreover, on practical grounds, I think any geographical restrictions would be very difficult to explain, justify, and defend in the event of a protest. I don't know of any small business goals based on geography.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don Mansfield said:

    No, the ones you will use to notify offerors of the set-aside. For example:

    52.219-3 Notice of HUBZone Set-Aside or Sole Source Award.

    52.219-6 Notice of Total Small Business Set-Aside.

    52.219-7 Notice of Partial Small Business Set-Aside.

    52.219-18 Notification of Competition Limited to Eligible 8(a) Concerns.

    52.219-27 Notice of Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business Set-Aside.

    52.219-29 Notice of Set-Aside for, or Sole Source Award to, Economically Disadvantaged Women-Owned Small Business Concerns.

    Why not use them all, with a supplemental provision to explain?

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    Retreadfed

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don asked, can I limit competition to small business concerns located in California?  Yes, if the nature of the acquisition requires a specific geographic location.  For example, if the requirement is for catering of meals to fire fighters combating forest and wild fires in California, the agency may be able to justify a small business set aside restricted to small businesses that have a business presence in California.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    If by "requirement" you mean some operational requirement, such as a nearby operating facility or a state operator's license, then the proper way to do that is to establish a special responsibility standard that an offeror must meet by the time of award. I would not try to set the procurement aside for small business concerns located in the state. That would almost certainly be unduly restrictive.

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    napolik

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    19.203 -- Relationship Among Small Business Programs.

    (a) There is no order of precedence among the 8(a) Program (subpart 19.8), HUBZone Program (subpart 19.13), Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business (SDVOSB) Procurement Program (subpart 19.14), or the Women-Owned Small Business (WOSB) Program (subpart 19.15).

    (b) At or below the simplified acquisition threshold. For acquisitions of supplies or services that have an anticipated dollar value exceeding $3,500 ($20,000 for acquisitions as described in 13.201(g)(1)), but not exceeding $150,000 ($750,000 for acquisitions described in paragraph (1)(i) of the simplified acquisition threshold definition at 2.101), the requirement at 19.502-2(a) to exclusively reserve acquisitions for small business concerns does not preclude the contracting officer from awarding a contract to a small business under the 8(a) Program, HUBZone Program, SDVOSB Program, or WOSB Program.

    (c) Above the simplified acquisition threshold. For acquisitions of supplies or services that have an anticipated dollar value exceeding the simplified acquisition threshold definition at 2.101, the contracting officer shall first consider an acquisition for the small business socioeconomic contracting programs (i.e., 8(a), HUBZone, SDVOSB, or WOSB programs) before considering a small business set-aside (see 19.502-2(b)). However, if a requirement has been accepted by the SBA under the 8(a) Program, it must remain in the 8(a) Program unless SBA agrees to its release in accordance with 13 CFR parts 124, 125 and 126.

    (d) In determining which socioeconomic program to use for an acquisition, the contracting officer should consider, at a minimum—

    (1) Results of market research that was done to determine if there are socioeconomic firms capable of satisfying the agency’s requirement; and

    (2) Agency progress in fulfilling its small business goals.

    (e) Small business set-asides have priority over acquisitions using full and open competition. See requirements for establishing a small business set-aside at subpart 19.5.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    I don't believe that FAR 6.203 provides the CO authority to set aside an acquisition for a subset of small business concerns. FAR 6.203( c ) states that I must follow FAR subpart 19.5 if I'm going to conduct a small business set-aside. FAR 19.508( c ) requires the CO to insert FAR 52.219-6 in solicitations that are totally set aside for small business. That clause defines "small business concerns" to include the entire set of small business concerns and solicits offers from small business concerns without qualification. Changing the definition in the clause to exclude certain classes of small business or adding qualifications to the type of small business concerns being solicited would be a deviation as defined at FAR 1.401 (c).

    While FAR 6.203 may be open to interpretation, I don't think the implementing clause would be consistent with Vern's interpretation.

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    ji20874

    Feb 14, 2017 · 9y ago

    Retreadfed said:

    ji, there is a nuance to competitive small business set asides that you have missed.  Under CICA, such competition is considered full and open competition.  Thus, the so called "exceptions" you have identified are not exceptions to full and open competition, but are a form of full and open competition.

    Wrong.

    A set-aside is not Full and Open Competition (FAR Subpart 6.1).

    Rather, a set-aside is Full and Open Competition After Exclusion of Sources (FAR Subpart 6.2).

    Don already refuted your statement that set-asides are not exceptions, so I won't re-make that argument.

    Vern Edwards said:

    FAR 19.502-4 tells contracting officers that they may, at their discretion, set aside one or more contract awards for "any" of the small business concerns identified in 19.000(a)(3).

    I agree.  That's why I said take your pick.  Choose one, "any" one.

    I wouldn't support a mix-and-match approach.

    But if j_dude77's chain is comfortable with a mix-and-match approach, more power to him.  My only request would be to let us know if it works.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    I have never read such weak posts in opposition to something I've written as:

    "While FAR 6.203 may be open to interpretation, I don't think the implementing clause would be consistent with Vern's interpretation."

    and

    "Choose one, 'any' one. I wouldn't support a mix-and-match approach."

    No wonder so many people think that contracting folk are obstacles to innovation. So much for "Contracting officers should take the lead..." FAR 1.102-4(e).

    I see no reason why j_dude shouldn't proceed with what he wants to do.

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    Matthew Fleharty

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don Mansfield said:

    While FAR 6.203 may be open to interpretation, I don't think the implementing clause would be consistent with Vern's interpretation.

    If clause language is the only thing holding one back, why not just get a deviation approved to modify the clause(s) to be consistent?  FAR 1.402 states (emphasis added):

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    Unless precluded by law, executive order, or regulation, deviations from the FAR may be granted as specified in this subpart when necessary to meet the specific needs and requirements of each agency. The development and testing of new techniques and methods of acquisition should not be stifled simply because such action would require a FAR deviation. The fact that deviation authority is required should not, of itself, deter agencies in their development and testing of new techniques and acquisition methods.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    No deviation is necessary. No regulation prohibits j_dude from doing what he wants to do. I would do it in a heartbeat. Don and ji are reaching for ways to block it.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    Don and ji are reaching for ways to block it.

    Of course, because we are just interested in stifling innovation.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don:

    Sorry, maybe I'm not being fair to you and ji. But in the positions that you and ji have taken I see what comes across to me as a striving for the most narrow interpretation that you can derive from vague regulatory language . I see no express prohibition in the regulation against what j_dude wants to do. Why look for one? Why argue for one?

    Innovative proposals often encounter boilerplate that does not account for what the innovator wants to do. That does not mean that what the innovator wants to do is prohibited and wrong. That is the lesson to be learned from the GAO's Sevatec decision. The spirit of the new is reflected in the FAR guiding principles. I think professionals should read regulations in a way that gives innovation the benefit of the doubt.

    I respect the regulations and consider myself to be a close reader of them, but I see no reason to read procedural rules in the most restrictive way possible in the absence of any indication of a specific intent to preclude the course of action that an innovator wants to pursue.

    Contracting folk should be willing to try things knowing that the GAO or COFC might rule against them. Contracting office managers have to be willing to push when the limits are not explicit. Many of the procedures that we take for granted today were not authorized when first tried.

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    FAR-flung 1102

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    Contracting folk sould be willing to try things knowing that the GAO or COFC might rule against them. Contracting office managers have to be willing to push when the limits are not explicit. Many of the procedures that we take for granted today were not authorized when first tried.

    Vern,

    Oh that I were a sponge and could readily  soak up the history of those "procedures that we take for granted today [that] were not authorized when first tried"

    ...Instead I must be content to slake my thirst drop by drop. I'll do my own looking...but could you maybe prime the pump and mention a few of the procedures that you have in mind, in this or another setting?

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    napolik

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    (legacy post)

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

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    Oh that I were a sponge and could readily  soak up the history of those "procedures that we take for granted today [that] were not authorized when first tried"

    ...Instead I must be content to slake my thirst drop by drop. I'll do my own looking...but could you maybe prime the pump and mention a few of the procedures that you have in mind, in this or another setting?

    FAR-flung 1102:

    More often than not, innovation precedes regulation, and regulation follows practice. Almost everything that we do today by express authorization or mandate was done by someone in the field before there was a regulation or policy to cover it. Regulations are usually issued (a) to implement statutes, (b) to control application of field practices that were developed and are being used without express authorization, and (c) to require that all agencies use a field practice that is thought to be a good idea. Legislators and regulators rarely invent and develop new techniques.

    The most recent example of an innovation is the “highest technically rated with a fair and reasonable price” method of source selection, which, as far as I know, was first used by GSA, in 2015. Persons within the agency and protesters argued that the method violated the Competition in Contracting Act and GAO decisions, but we now know--thanks to the Orca decision of the COFC and the Sevatec decision of the GAO--that the method is permissible under FAR 1.102 and 15.101. The contracting officers who first put the method to use told me that they met with heavy resistance from persons in their bureaucracy and representatives of the private sector.

    Another example is cost and price realism analyses, which were done in source selections long before they were mentioned or authorized in any regulation.

    Changes clauses authorizing COs to unilaterally modify contracts, which have been traced back to 1818, were in use long before they were authorized and regulated. They were eventually standardized by regulation. Changes were restricted to those within the "general scope of the contract" and the clauses were written to provide for "equitable adjustment."

    All of the various incentive contracts were developed experimentally before the 1950s. The Navy is believed to have developed the fixed-price incentive pricing arrangement during WWII. It was not expressly mentioned or authorized by any agency procurement regulation until the early 1950s.

    The fixed-price contract with award fee was in use for several years before it was finally regulated in the FAR in 1997 and coverage was provided in FAR Part 16.

    The “award term” incentive has been in use for about 10 years and is still not mentioned and authorized in the FAR. The first formal regulation of it was by the EPA in 2007. NASA proposed to regulate its use in its FAR supplement in 2016.

    The “task order” contract containing “loaded” labor rates that could be used to price unique orders after contract award has been in use since at least the 1980s, a decade before their formal recognition under the Federal Acquisition Streamlining Act of 1994 and their subsequent regulation in FAR Part 16.

    Performance-based contracting is a classic example of the issuance of a regulation to require that all agencies use what was thought to be a good field development. The procedure was developed by the Air Force in the 1970s and adopted government-wide in the 1990s. Another example is the inclusion of a statement of objectives in a solicitation instead of a statement of work, along with a requirement that offerors propose a statement of work. That procedure was first used by the Air Force in systems acquisitions (the F-22 fighter aircraft, I think) and is now recognized in FAR and used in all sorts of acquisitions.

    I could go on, but I think that you get the idea. The field invents and develops new procedures. Regulation follows practice, not vice versa.

    When a field procedure deviates from a clear regulation, the deviation must be approved before the procedure can be put to use. When someone proposes an innovation for which there is no express coverage in regulation, there is often someone within the bureaucracy or in the private sector who challenges its use, either because it was not expressly authorized by regulation or because they interpret an existing regulation to imply a prohibition of its use. There are two categories of prohibition--express prohibition and implied prohibition. In many cases someone in an office argues that while the regulation does not expressly prohibit the procedure, a prohibition is implied by some language therein. Sometimes the implication is clear and definite, but sometimes it is the product of what I call “tortured” interpretation.

    In his last post, ji20874 indicated that "any," as used in FAR 19.502-4(b), means "any one."

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    Choose one, "any" one.

    Now, where did he get the idea that "any" means one? Here is the entry on “any” in Garner’s Dictionary of Legal Usage, Third Edition:

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    any. A. Singular or Plural. Any may be either singular or plural. Here are examples of the (rarer) singular use:

    • "Accordingly, we do not reach the question of whether any of these statements is ‘of and concerning’ CSI.”
    • “We conclude that Weinberger has not demonstrated a prima facie case that any of the statements is false or was made with actual malice and that this factor weighs against the disclosure ordered.”

    In those constructions, any is really elliptical for any one.

    Now, FAR-flung, read FAR 19.502-4(b) and tell me if you think that any of the three uses of “any” is singular, meaning any one. Do you think the regulation says that a CO can set an award or awards aside for one and only one of the various categories of small business concerns? Does it mean that a CO cannot set aside one award for HUBZones and one for women-owned? Does that make sense to you? Would you read "any of the small business concerns" to mean any one of the categories of small business concerns? Would you read it as meaning that even though it does not say that?

    Innovation is a lot harder than it used to be, because we have so many more pages of regulation and so many more passages to subject to tortuous interpretation.

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    joel hoffman

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    FAR-flung 1102 said:

    Vern,

    ...but could you maybe prime the pump and mention a few of the procedures that you have in mind, in this or another setting?

    Establishing the Competitive Range:  The Part 15, Source Selection procedures before the 1997 rewrite discouraged eliminating proposers in narrowing the range. The wording said to the effect that all offerors with a reasonable chance for award should be included -when there is doubt, keep them in the comp. range.

    Most of our KO's were very conservative, fearing protests. I discovered that firms often did not really want to be dragged through an extended award process if they weren't a top contender for the award. Firms would ask me, the negotiator, if I could give them any indicator of where they stood because their bonding capacity was being tied up.

    One  construction company on a large design-build competition said they were really interested in some big school system projects coming up in the Miami area near the Air Base where our project was located. Their project manager wanted to know if they were a top contender on our acquisition and wanted my advice on what to do. This was also before the 2 phase D-B short-listing process was added to FAR.

    I simply told him that if it were me, I'd go after the other job.  They thanked me profusely - but I asked them not to mention why they were withdrawing...  

    I was the first in our organization to aggressively pursue narrowing the competitive range. I was usually successful under one KO but could seldom convince the other KO to eliminate all but the most competitive proposers.  Even after the 1997 Part 15 Rewrite encouraged paring of all but the most highly rated proposals, it was like pulling teeth with the timid KO. Now, we know that industry usually welcomes being released as early as possible so they can pursue other work.  

    Multi-Step Proposal Evaluation Processes: I think that multi-phased or multi-step proposal evaluation processes used in the past couple of years have pushed the envelope, too.  Vern can better fill in the details (plus I am on a plane with no Internet access) .   But there has been some reluctance by organizations to more efficiently pare down the field before evaluating all portions of the proposals, including price. A narrow reading of the FAR is a stumbling block for some organizations or individuals.

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    joel hoffman

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    I can vouch for Vern's mention of the use of Fixed Price with Award Fee before it was mentioned in FAR. My office was using FFP with award Fee around the 1989-1990 timeframe. 

    The various Design-Build Construction contract authorizations specifically mentioned in law and FAR, which are exceptions to the Brooks Act procedures for obtaining design services through Qualifications Based Selection, all describe single award contract actions.  Organizations have adapted the two-phase method in FAR 36.3 for awarding base Multiple Award Task Order contracts, using a seed task order in Phase 2.    This was challenged ten years ago or so in one of the Courts, which upheld its use.  

    The practice of not establishIng fixed prices in the MATOC competition was also mentioned in several cases but was not objected to by the Courts.  In those instances, prices for each unique D-B task order are  established by task order competition.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    FAR 19.502-4 tells contracting officers that they may, at their discretion, set aside one or more contract awards for "any" of the small business concerns identified in 19.000(a)(3).

    Point of order. The authorities at FAR 19.502-4 are only available when the "rule of two" cannot be met. 13 CFR 125.2(e)(1) states:

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    (1) General.

    (i) The contracting officer must set-aside a Multiple Award Contract if the requirements for a set-aside are met. This includes set-asides for small businesses, 8(a) Participants, HUBZone SBCs, SDVO SBCs, WOSBs or EDWOSBs.

    (ii) The contracting officer in his or her discretion may partially set-aside or reserve a Multiple Award Contract, or set aside, or preserve the right to set aside, orders against a Multiple Award Contract that was not itself set aside for small business. The ultimate decision of whether to use any of the above-mentioned tools in any given procurement action is a decision of the contracting agency.

    Further, the OP didn't ask about setting aside a part or parts of a multiple-award contract. As such, FAR 19.502-4 is not relevant to the discussion.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    Don:

    Sorry, maybe I'm not being fair to you and ji. But in the positions that you and ji have taken I see what comes across to me as a striving for the most narrow interpretation that you can derive from vague regulatory language . I see no express prohibition in the regulation against what j_dude wants to do. Why look for one? Why argue for one?

    Innovative proposals often encounter boilerplate that does not account for what the innovator wants to do. That does not mean that what the innovator wants to do is prohibited and wrong. That is the lesson to be learned from the GAO's Sevatec decision. The spirit of the new is reflected in the FAR guiding principles. I think professionals should read regulations in a way that gives innovation the benefit of the doubt.

    I respect the regulations and consider myself to be a close reader of them, but I see no reason to read procedural rules in the most restrictive way possible in the absence of any indication of a specific intent to preclude the course of action that an innovator wants to pursue.

    Contracting folk should be willing to try things knowing that the GAO or COFC might rule against them. Contracting office managers have to be willing to push when the limits are not explicit. Many of the procedures that we take for granted today were not authorized when first tried.

    I think you may be attributing too much to my comments. I have no problem with innovation. I'm not trying to find the most restrictive interpretation possible. However, I find fault in your reasoning. 

    FAR 1.102(d) tells us to assume that if something is not expressly prohibited, we can assume that is permissible.

    jdude77 wants to use a procedure that does not provide for full and open competition, which is prohibited by FAR 6.101(a). This prohibition has "limited" exceptions that are covered in FAR subpart 6.2 and 6.3.

    jdude77 wants to limit competition to offerors that are 8(a), HUBZone, SDVOSB, and EDWOSB small business concerns. This is not one of the "limited" exceptions in FAR subpart 6.2 and 6.3. Your position is that such a set-aside is a small business set-aside, which is permitted by FAR 6.203. That makes no sense to me because such a set-aside would exclude some small business concerns. Such an interpretation is inconsistent with the implementing clause for conducting small business set-asides. It would also be inconsistent with all other set-asides and their implementing provisions and clauses in the FAR, which don't provide for further limitations in the defined class of competitors.

    I think that what jdude77 wants to do would be a deviation. However, that doesn't mean that it's wrong. FAR 1.402(a) states:

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    The development and testing of new techniques and methods of acquisition should not be stifled simply because such action would require a FAR deviation. The fact that deviation authority is required should not, of itself, deter agencies in their development and testing of new techniques and acquisition methods.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don Mansfield said:

    jdude77 wants to limit competition to offerors that are 8(a), HUBZone, SDVOSB, and EDWOSB small business concerns. This is not one of the "limited" exceptions in FAR subpart 6.2 and 6.3. Your position is that such a set-aside is a small business set-aside, which is permitted by FAR 6.203. That makes no sense to me because such a set-aside would exclude some small business concerns. Such an interpretation is inconsistent with the implementing clause for conducting small business set-asides. It would also be inconsistent with all other set-asides and their implementing provisions and clauses in the FAR, which don't provide for further limitations in the defined class of competitors.

    Don:

    Here is FAR 6.203, which is the CICA exception for small business set-asides:

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    6.203 Set-asides for small business concerns.

    (a) To fulfill the statutory requirements relating to small business concerns, contracting officers may set aside solicitations to allow only such business concerns to compete. This includes contract actions conducted under the Small Business Innovation Research Program established under Pub. L. 97-219.

    (b) No separate justification or determination and findings is required under this part to set aside a contract action for small business concerns.

    (c) subpart 19.5 prescribes policies and procedures that shall be followed with respect to set-asides.

    Emphasis added. Well, I guess we better read FAR Subpart 19.5. Let's begin at the beginning with FAR 19.501(a):

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    (a) The purpose of small business set-asides is to award certain acquisitions exclusively to small business concerns. A “set-aside for small business” is the reserving of an acquisition exclusively for participation by small business concerns. A small business set-aside may be open to all small businesses. A small business set-aside of a single acquisition or a class of acquisitions may be total or partial.

    If a set-aside "may" be open to all small businesses--"may" denoting the permissive according to FAR 2.101, meaning that I can include them all, but I don't have to--would I be wrong in thinking that a set-aside may be closed to some small businesses and that I may exclude some small businesses from a set-aside for small businesses?

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don Mansfield said:

    Point of order. The authorities at FAR 19.502-4 are only available when the "rule of two" cannot be met. 13 CFR 125.2(e)(1) states:

    (1) General.

    (i) The contracting officer must set-aside a Multiple Award Contract if the requirements for a set-aside are met. This includes set-asides for small businesses, 8(a) Participants, HUBZone SBCs, SDVO SBCs, WOSBs or EDWOSBs.

    (ii) The contracting officer in his or her discretion may partially set-aside or reserve a Multiple Award Contract, or set aside, or preserve the right to set aside, orders against a Multiple Award Contract that was not itself set aside for small business. The ultimate decision of whether to use any of the above-mentioned tools in any given procurement action is a decision of the contracting agency.

    I don't understand your point. 

    Why should a CO care what 13 CFR 125.2(e)(1) states? The CO is bound by law to comply with FAR. See FAR 1.104. FAR 19.000, Scope of Part, does not mention 13 CFR 125.2. FAR Subpart 19.5 makes no mention of 13 CFR 125.2(e)(1). Just to be sure, FAR 19.502-4 makes no mention of 13 CFR 125.2. In fact, a Westlaw search shows no mention of 13 CFR 125.2 anywhere in the FAR.

    I interpret 13 CFR 125.2 as being merely descriptive, not legislative. It doesn't command, it just explains. FAR commands. But even if I assume that a CO must comply with 13 CFR 125.2(e)(1), subparagraph (i) says that the CO must set-aside a MATOC if the requirement for a set-aside is met. That's good. That's what j_dude wants to do. He wants to set it aside for the five special categories. Subparagraph (ii) says that he may partially set-aside a MATOC if it was not totally set-aside. Well, that's fine, but he plans to set it aside. So...

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    Moderator

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

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    6.204 Section 8(a) competition.

    (a) To fulfill statutory requirements relating to section 8(a) of the Small Business Act, as amended by Public Law 100-656, contracting officers may limit competition to eligible 8(a) participants (see subpart 19.8).

    (b) No separate justification or determination and findings is required under this part to limit competition to eligible 8(a) participants. (But see 6.302-5 and 6.303-1 for sole source 8(a) awards over $22 million.)

    6.205 Set-asides for HUBZone small business concerns.

    (a) To fulfill the statutory requirements relating to the HUBZone Act of 1997 (15 U.S.C. 631 note), contracting officers in participating agencies (see 19.1302) may set aside solicitations to allow only qualified HUBZone small business concerns to compete (see 19.1305).

    (b) No separate justification or determination and findings is required under this part to set aside a contract action for qualified HUBZone small business concerns.

    6.206 Set-asides for service-disabled veteran-owned small business concerns.

    (a) To fulfill the statutory requirements relating to the Veterans Benefits Act of 2003 (15 U.S.C. 657f), contracting officers may set-aside solicitations to allow only service-disabled veteran-owned small business concerns to compete (see 19.1405).

    (b) No separate justification or determination and findings are required under this part to set aside a contract action for service-disabled veteran-owned small business concerns.

    6.207 Set-asides for economically disadvantaged women-owned small business (EDWOSB) concerns or women-owned small business (WOSB) concerns eligible under the WOSB Program.

    (a) To fulfill the statutory requirements relating to 15 U.S.C. 637(m), contracting officers may set aside solicitations for only EDWOSB concerns or WOSB concerns eligible under the WOSB Program (see 19.1505).

    (b) No separate justification or determination and findings is required under this part to set aside a contract action for EDWOSB concerns or WOSB concerns eligible under the WOSB Program.

    I have a question.  I hate to quote the FAR in a quote box but could someone explain the meaning of the phrases in 6.205 -- to allow only, 6.206 -- to allow only, 6.207 --  for only.  If a regulation uses the word only as it does in the areas I quoted, how does an only allow for consideration of another?

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    Matthew Fleharty

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don Mansfield said:

    I think that what jdude77 wants to do would be a deviation. However, that doesn't mean that it's wrong.

    Ultimately j_dude77 is going to run into one of two situations:

    • His agency is going to interpret the FAR as allowing him to set the MATOC aside for multiple small business socioeconomic categories; or
    • His agency is going to interpret the FAR as not allowing the multiple small business socioeconomic categories and tell him "no."

    If the latter situation occurs, please don't let that be the end of your pursuit j_dude77.  If it makes good business sense for your agency to have a MATOC with those multiple small business socioeconomic categories, make the best argument you can as to why that's the best course of action, support it, and pursue the deviation.  I think everyone here could, at least, agree on that.

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    Retreadfed

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    After reading 10 U.S.C. 2304 and 15 U.S.C. 644, I think Vern is on solid ground in what he has recommended.

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    FAR-flung 1102

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    FAR-flung 1102:

    In his last post, ji20874 indicated that "any," as used in FAR 19.502-4(b), means "any one."

    Now, where did he get the idea that "any" means one? Here is the entry on “any” in Garner’s Dictionary of Legal Usage, Third Edition:

    Now, FAR-flung, read FAR 19.502-4(b) and tell me if you think that any of the three uses of “any” is singular, meaning any one. Do you think the regulation says that a CO can set an award or awards aside for one and only one of the various categories of small business concerns? Does it mean that a CO cannot set aside one award for HUBZones and one for women-owned? Does that make sense to you? Would you read "any of the small business concerns" to mean any one of the categories of small business concerns? Would you read it as meaning that even though it does not say that?

    Vern,

    Thank you for the overview. 

    I do see your point about "any" not always meaning "any one"...and specially in FAR 15.502-4.  I  think we should often consider flipping our assumptions mid-argument as a means of detecting error or obstinance.  I for one, like learning new tricks.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    There is one way to do what j_dude wants to do that ought to be entirely noncontroversial.

    Issue a MATOC RFP and say that you are going to make four separate awards based on four separate set-asides--one for 8(a), one for HUBZone, one for SDVOSB, and one for EDWOSB. Instead of citing FAR 6.203, cite FAR 6.204, 6.205. 6.206, and 6.207 as the CICA exceptions applicable to each of the four awards. Conduct four source selections in accordance with applicable and appropriate procedures. Insert FAR 52.219-3, -18, -27, and -29 and apply them as appropriate. Say that task orders will be competed or awarded based on the various small business sole source authorities.

    Easy peasy.

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    Retreadfed

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern, what impact, if any, does FAR 1.602-1(b) have on the issue of whether a contracting officer needs to comply with SBA rules as well as the FAR when awarding contracts?

    Bob, to answer your question concerning "only," go back to the statutory bases for the various sections in FAR Subpart 6.2.  FAR 6.203 is derived directly from CICA.  For example, 10 U.S.C. 2304(b)(2) states in part "The head of an agency may provide for the procurement of property or services covered by this section using competitive procedures, but excluding concerns other than small business concerns in furtherance of sections 9 and 15 of the Small Business Act."   Section 15 of the SB Act is 15 U.S.C. 644 which states government wide contracting goals and requires the establishment of agency specific contracting goals for specific categories of small businesses.  Under 644, agencies are to establish plans to meet those contracting goals.  Nothing in 644, limits contracting to meet those goals to either one category or all categories of eligible small business concerns.  The way I read the statute, it permits mixing and matching of categories.  Because 6.203 is derived from 644, it also must permit mixing and matching.

    If we look at FAR 6.204-207, each of those sections is based upon a specific section of the SB Act that permits set asides limited to the specific small business category.  None of those other sections of the SB Act are mentioned in CICA.  Moreover, each of the sections in 6.203-207 is merely a tool available to agencies to assist them in meeting the objectives of 644.Thus, because we have different FAR sections that are based on different statutes, but are intended to facilitate a common goal, i.e., the goal of 644, I see no conflict between them and nothing that would prohibit the approach Vern has advised.

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    Moderator

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    There is one way to do what j_dude wants to do that ought to be entirely noncontroversial.

    Issue a MATOC RFP and say that you are going to make four separate awards based on four separate set-asides--one for 8(a), one for HUBZone, one for SDVOSB, and one for EDWOSB. Instead of citing FAR 6.203, cite FAR 6.204, 6.205. 6.206, and 6.207 as the CICA exceptions applicable to each of the four awards. Conduct four source selections in accordance with applicable and appropriate procedures. Insert FAR 52.219-3, -18, -27, and -29 and apply them as appropriate. Say that task orders will be competed or awarded based on the various small business sole source authorities.

    Easy peasy.

    Vern:

    That is a solution to what I posted.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    Retreadfed said:

    Vern, what impact, if any, does FAR 1.602-1(b) have on the issue of whether a contracting officer needs to comply with SBA rules as well as the FAR when awarding contracts?

    That's not entirely clear to me. FAR tells COs what they must do and what they must refrain from doing. I think that SBA rules such as 13 CFR 125.2 merely explain what COs are legally obligated to do under the statutes. It's up to the FAR councils to tell them to do it, which is why the FAR councils wait for SBA to issue an interpretive regulation and then publish a Federal Acquisition Circular telling COs what is required of them.

    Mainly what the SBA rules in 13 CFR 125 do is interpret statute. Does 13 CFR 125.2 have the force and effect of law? I don't know. I don't think so. Must COs comply with an SBA regulation like 13 CFR 125.2 before the FAR councils issue a Federal Acquisition Circular? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't see how SBA can enforce their rules against COs except through management channels. Can SBA sue a CO? I don't know. I don't think so. Remember that according to statute, the FAR is the government's only procurement regulation.

    I plan to do some research on this.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 15, 2017 · 9y ago

    bob7947 said:

    Vern:

    That is a solution to what I posted.

    Don and I actually talked about that solution by phone a day or so ago and then again today, but we were having fun with the argument so we kept it to ourselves.

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    C Culham

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    FAR 19.000 “This part implements the acquisition-related sections of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 631, et seq.),” therefore one would think the associated regulations of 13 CFR 125 which were also codified on the basis of the Small Business Act would have some bearing on interpretation of the guidance offered in the FAR.   I am not quite clear why 13 CFR 125 is dismissed so easily?

    This being said could the more appropriate approach be that you are doing the procurement under FAR 6.203 as a SB set aside and that you are “reserving” awards for the categories (subsets of small businesses) that the OP has identified? 

     I question that you would do a  competition as suggested by the OP and “set aside” for an 8(a).   I reason in a full read of FAR subpart 19.805, with FAR 6.203, that a competitive reach to 8(a)s would be as a reservation as an award or awards for 8(a).   A “set aside” is in conflict with the applicable thresholds that allow for competitive 8(a).   To “reserve” might be a different matter, reference 19.502-4?

    Hope these thoughts help repair some additional chinks in the armor to allow the innovation to occur.

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    Jamaal Valentine

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago · edited 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    Why should a CO care what 13 CFR 125.2(e)(1) states? The CO is bound by law to comply with FAR. See FAR 1.104.

    I was waiting for the original posters to respond, but I never seen FAR 1.602-1[ b ] - or 1.602-2[a] referenced. Maybe I just missed it but, here is the relevant part:

    "No contract shall be entered into unless the contracting officer ensures that all requirements of law, executive orders, regulations, and all other applicable procedures, including clearances and approvals, have been met."

    *Edited to acknowledge Retreadfed's post highlighting the same

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    ji20874

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    There is one way to do what j_dude wants to do that ought to be entirely noncontroversial.

    Issue a MATOC RFP and say that you are going to make four separate awards based on four separate set-asides--one for 8(a), one for HUBZone, one for SDVOSB, and one for EDWOSB. Instead of citing FAR 6.203, cite FAR 6.204, 6.205. 6.206, and 6.207 as the CICA exceptions applicable to each of the four awards. Conduct four source selections in accordance with applicable and appropriate procedures. Insert FAR 52.219-3, -18, -27, and -29 and apply them as appropriate.

    Works for me -- each awarded contract is based on one set-aside approach.

    Vern Edwards said:

    Say that task orders will be competed or awarded based on the various small business sole source authorities.

    Doing a fair opportunity consideration for a task order among all the contract awardees:  easy.

    But restricting consideration for a task order to only one contract awardee, such as the single HUBZone contractor, requires an exception for fair opportunity -- does the exception in FAR 16.505(b)(2)(i)(F) allow for sole source awards?  Or, since that exception is for a set-aside, does it require having more than one eligible contractor eligible to participate?

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    ji20874 said:

    But restricting consideration for a task order to only one contract awardee, such as the single HUBZone contractor, requires an exception for fair opportunity -- does the exception in FAR 16.505(b)(2)(i)(F) allow for sole source awards?  Or, since that exception is for a set-aside, does it require having more than one eligible contractor eligible to participate?

    Part 19 expressly provides for sole source awards under each of the four small business programs. I am going to state in the contract that the government reserves the right to issue orders on a sole source basis and describe criteria and procedures for doing so. Any prospective offeror can challenge that term of the model contract prior to the closing date for receipt of proposals for the MATOC. After award, challenges would be limited to orders valued in excess of $10 million. I'm not certain how to interpret FAR 16.505(b)(2)(i)(F), but it's not clear to me that my plan would be inconsistent with it.

    In short, I'm not going to worry about it. When regulations are clear and explicit, on the basis of the their text or binding case law, I'll obey them to the letter. When regulations are vague or ambiguous, I'll argue for a reasonable interpretation that suits my goals. Otherwise, I'll leave the worrying to those who torture vague and ambiguous regulations in search of grounds to object to anything new.

    Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    The authority for setting aside orders only applies to multiple award contracts that were awarded under full and open competition. 13 CFR 125.2(e)(6)(i):

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    Notwithstanding the fair opportunity requirements set forth in 10 U.S.C. 2304c and 41 U.S.C. 253j, the contracting officer has the authority to set-aside orders against Multiple Award Contracts that were competed on a full and open basis.

    Wasn't much torture involved. I just looked up the reg and it confessed.

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    ji20874

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    I'm not certain how to interpret FAR 16.505(b)(2)(i)(F), but it's not clear to me that my plan would be inconsistent with it.

    Vern, I can help you with understanding FAR 16.505(b)(2)(i)(F), if you are interested.  

    FAR 16.505(b)(2)(i)(F) provides an exception to fair opportunity for task orders under multiple-award IDIQ contracts.  It directly says, in pertinent part, "In accordance with section 1331 of Public Law 111-240 (15 U.S.C. 644(r)), contracting officers may, at their discretion, set aside orders for any of the small business concerns identified in 19.000(a)(3)."

    By its own words, it allows set-asides.  It does not provide for sole-source awards.  The GSA has offered an understanding to its employees as follows:

    Section 1331 of the Small Business Jobs Act . . . only authorizes set-asides of orders under multiple award contracts, not sole source.

    (https://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/113371#1)

    Of course, this GSA interpretation is not dispositive -- but it is an indicator.

    A proposed rule was released in December 2016, also based on Sec. 1331 (the Jobs Act).  It distinguishes between set-asides (always competitive) and sole source for task order awards.  It continues to allow competitive set-asides for task order awards for all the different categories, but changes the guidelines for sole source awards under 8(a), as follows:   "The proposed rule clarifies that under the 8(a) program, a contracting officer may issue a sole-source task or delivery order as long as the value of the order is equal to or less than the thresholds at FAR 19.805-1(a)(2), the contract was set aside for exclusive competition among 8(a) participants, and the agency goes through offer and acceptance for the order."  So there may be an allowance for sole-source 8(a) task orders under multiple-award IDIQ contracts, but there isn't for the other categories.

    We see further suggestion that a set-aside differs sole-source in the titles of some FAR sections:

    19.1305 HUBZone set-aside procedures.
    19.1306 HUBZone sole source awards.

    19.1405 Service-disabled veteran-owned small business set-aside procedures.
    19.1406 Sole source awards to service-disabled veteran-owned small business concerns.

    See?  Set-asides are different than sole-source.  And FAR 16.505(b)(2)(i)(F) only authorizes set-asides.

    Even so, you declare that FAR Part 19 gives a contracting officer authority for sole-source task order awards under multiple-award contracts.  I disagree, again, based on the FAR.  FAR Subpart 19.13 covers the HUBZone program, but FAR 19.1304 says explicitly that the subpart does not apply to orders under indefinite-delivery contracts.  FAR Subpart 19.14 covers the Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned program, but 19.1404 says the subpart does not apply to orders under indefinite-delivery contracts.  So clearly, the authority for a sole-source task order awards (such as a HUBZone or SDVOSB award) does not come from FAR Part 19.  

    You are unkind in charging that anyone who disagrees with you is an enemy to innovation.  That is not true.  I disagree with you in this matter because I am able to read the very clear words of the FAR.

    Vern Edwards said:

    When regulations are clear and explicit, on the basis of the their text or binding case law, I'll obey them to the letter.

    Were you unaware of FAR 19.1304(b) and 19.1404(b)?  Are they unclear?

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don and ji20874:

    Glad to see that I've brought you two together in your eagerness to keep me from innovating.

    Okay, you've convinced me that I cannot make set-asides or sole source awards under the authorities you have cited. So I will give all contractors a fair opportunity to be considered for every task order. What I will do, however, is put a term in the contract to the effect that when providing a fair opportunity one of the factors that I might consider will be our agency's small business goals and the need for additional awards to one category or another in order to to achieve our goals. I will tradeoff our need against technical and price considerations. That procedure considers an "other aspect[ ] of the contracting environment." FAR 16.505(b)(1)(ii)(A).

    What do you think? Put your minds together. What regulation (or combination of regulations) am I violating now? ;)

    (I must confess that I don't know whether there are separate goals for the various special categories of small businesses. If there aren't any, let me know and I'll try something else.)

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    ji20874 said:

    You are unkind in charging that anyone who disagrees with you is an enemy to innovation.

    That's not what I'm charging. I don't mind that you disagree. I mind that you do things like basing your disagreement on interpreting "any"to mean any one even when it doesn't.

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    Don Mansfield

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern,

    That's similar to what agencies used to do before set-asides were expressly authorized for FSS orders. I don't think it violates any regulation, but it makes someone like me nervous and scared. It was innovation and progress that doomed humanity in The Planet of the Apes.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    Don Mansfield said:

    Vern,

    That's similar to what agencies used to do before set-asides were expressly authorized for FSS orders. I don't think it violates any regulation, but it makes someone like me nervous and scared. It was innovation and progress that doomed humanity in The Planet of the Apes.

    No. That was ideology and stupidity. The kind of thing that sent me to Vietnam. See Lessons in Disaster: McGeorge Bundy and the Path to War in Vietnam, by Gordon M. Goldstein (2008). Have you read Straw Dogs by John Gray?

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    Matthew Fleharty

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern Edwards said:

    (I must confess that I don't know whether there are separate goals for the various special categories of small businesses. If there aren't any, let me know and I'll try something else.)

    I can confirm for you that agencies do receive goals down to the socioeconomic category level.

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    Todd Davis

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    Statutory Goals Established by Federal Executive Agencies

    The Fiscal Year 2017 Agency Prime and Subcontracting Goals for 24 CFO Act Agencies are listed at the link above.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 16, 2017 · 9y ago

    Thanks, Matthew and Todd. Based on that and Don's last post it looks like I'm good to go. Unless ji20874 can cook up something to block it.

    Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. Wahoo.

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    C Culham

    Feb 17, 2017 · 9y ago

    I believe that the view expressed in this thread to implement the innovative idea of the OP has missed a very important step that must be taken before implementation.  

    It was expressed in this thread that a CO should take the lead in pursing innovation (FAR 1.102-4(e)).  There is no disagreement but within the same guiding principles it is expressed that  an acquisition is to be the product of a “team”.  

    With regard to the proposed approach the primary debate has been the appropriate application of the Small Business Act to the idea.  Many have their opinions with regard to such application, inclusive of myself.   In the context of the FAR the discussion has been made in a vacuum that is absent the obligation to the guiding principle that an acquisition should be made as a team approach that includes members of the team that are empowered to make decisions within the area of their responsibility (FAR 1.102(a)) and that team participants are to include all from the procurement communities (FAR 1.102(a)).

    FAR 19.201 provides that SBA is to assist agencies in accomplishing the intent of the Small Business Act and outlines the specific procedures that an agency is required to establish with regard to implementation of the act inclusive of recommendations regarding set aside programs. 

    In the case of the proposed implementation of the innovative OP idea the suggested course has not included the clear demands of the guiding principles and FAR Part 19 that the appropriate agency officer or employee (team member) be consulted as to implementing the OP approach. 

    The Small Business Act as implemented by FAR part 19 is clear that Small Business Administration in concert with the required agency Office of Small and Disadvantaged Business Utilization, or the extension thereof, within the agency’s  organization must be part and parcel to the implementation of the OP’s idea as it is also clear the innovation proposed needs clear interpretation of the Small Business Act and its implementing regulations that are inclusive of not only FAR part 19 but that of 13 CFR Chapter 1. 

    So yes go for it, but go for it with complete deference to guiding principles and requirements of the FAR.   Doing so will make it a success!

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    joel hoffman

    Feb 17, 2017 · 9y ago

    Not that it makes any difference but if you can establish a pool with different Small business classifications and allow them to compete on some equal basis after award, I like the idea.  I agree with Carl that a PCO should use the team approach to investigate and implement the acquisition approach.

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    Guest Seeker

    Feb 17, 2017 · 9y ago

    I once worked with a gal who attended one teaming seminar too many and had a baseball cap printed with the slogan "Travel in Herds. (Promote Inefficiency)"

    Got a lot of laughs in the office. She became a vice president.

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    here_2_help

    Feb 17, 2017 · 9y ago

    "A committee is a life form with six or more legs and no brain."

    -- Robert Heinlein

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    joel hoffman

    Feb 17, 2017 · 9y ago

    - Well, it seemed that there was a lot of different input and interaction, including asking others' opinions in this very thread. Hmmm.

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    joel hoffman

    Feb 17, 2017 · 9y ago

    ...checks and balances.  See Vern's thread concerning Glen Defense. Of course it didn't seem to work there...

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    C Culham

    Feb 17, 2017 · 9y ago

    Seeker and here - Are you saying that it is inconsistent with FAR and if you were an agency CO you would not reach out to the small business specialist within your agency and/or SBA to discuss the idea?

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    ji20874

    Feb 23, 2017 · 9y ago

    Vern,

    You insist on characterizing me as an enemy of innovation, but we should be able to engage based on the merits and facts -- that's where I'm working from.

    I'm glad I have been able to be helpful to you in this thread.  The FAR does indeed prohibit sole-source task or delivery order awards to HUBZone small business concerns (FAR 19.304(b)), SDVOSBs (FAR 19.1404(b)), and WOSBs/EDWOSBs (FAR 19.1504(c)) under multiple-award IDIQ contracts.  I don't opine on whether it should or should not, but it is what it is.  You seem to be offended that I was right and you were wrong regarding your assertion that FAR Part 19 gives a contracting officer the authority for sole-source task or delivery order awards to HUBZone small business concerns, SDVOSBs, and WOSBs/EDWOSBs under multiple-award IDIQ contracts, but the result of this thread is that you have now arrived at a new idea, and a workable idea -- that's good, right?  WIFCON readers benefit from the professional exchange of ideas.

    You will be happy to know that contracting officers are already using your proposed innovation by using small business achievements and contribution towards agency HUBZone, SDVOSB, and WOSB/EDWOSB goals as part of the fair opportunity process -- but these are fair opportunity (competitive) task order awards, not sole-source awards.

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    Guest Vern Edwards

    Feb 24, 2017 · 9y ago

    ji20874:

    I haven't characterized you as an enemy of innovation. However, I admit that I was annoyed by your tortured interpretation of "any." (Feb. 14 at 10:58am.) It struck me that you were reaching. (And you were so self-assured in your error.) But I now understand that it was simple ignorance. And I suspect that by pointing out your mistake I prompted you to read FAR 19.502-4 more closely.

    I am not offended that you were right about the point that you made concerning sole source awards and that I was wrong. In fact, I acknowledged that you and Don persuaded me. I generally don't read FAR Part 19 closely--a grievous error on my part in this case that you can bet I won't repeat.

    So I do appreciate your input, and I thank you for it. It makes up for your misinterpretation of "any." And I'm glad that I was able to sort you out about that and turn you on to Bryan Garner's book about legal usage. He has a longer entry on "any" in his book Modern English Usage, 4th. I urge you (and others) to buy a copy and study it.

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