HUBZone vs. SB
Started by ipod24 · Jun 3, 2010 · 45 replies
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ipod24
Jun 3, 2010 · 16y ago
Greetings,
I wanted to get your opinion regarding my concern on a contract requirement that I will be putting out (RFP); however, the decision that my KO made on how to go about soliciting this requirement has led me to question their decision. I am an intern and have been in contracting for less than a year; hence my knowledge in contracting has yet to expand. A short summary about my requirement: (1) It will be set-aside 100% small business, (2) The requirement is over $100K, but below $5.5M, (3) Service type (firm-fixed-price requirements contract) ? Courier service to be exact, (4) It is a competitive acquisition, and (5) the incumbent contractor is a small business w/out any other consideration. Now the predicament I am in is that during my Market Research I found at least two HUBZone business that met my customer?s requirement, and they assured the government that they were going to put in a proposal. In addressing my market research findings to my KO, I had suggested we set-aside the new requirement for HUBZone. Now, I am aware of the HUBZone instruction in the FAR, title 15 USC, and other; and the GAO protest (MSC vs US), OMB?s and DOJ?s decision/debates -- knowing that at the moment no definitive decision on the set-aside priority under Executive Branch agencies has been made, along with the FAR verbiage (i.e. ?shall? vs. ?may?). I?ve arduously debated this with my KO. Ultimately, the decision was to set it aside for just small business ONLY w/out other consideration. I asked why, and the answer I got was? (1) ?we have to consider the incumbent?s interest in also putting forth a proposal, setting it aside just small business gives them this opportunity?; (2) reference to the OMB & DOJs memo instruction on set-aside priority to HUBZone ? ultimately the KO?s decision; (3) If we set-aside just HUBZone, chances are the incumbent will protest, and if we did small business I risk having a protest by the HUBZone Co.; and (4) Other. Now I already know the answer to most of this?. However, the ones I am pondering on are: the decision of just setting my RFP to small businesses without considering other socioeconomic program (i.e. HUBZone in this case). What are your thoughts on this? Can we get away with just setting the requirement to small business without acknowledging other potential set-aside factors, which could possibly meet my customer?s requirement? What rights does the incumbent have on protesting the new requirement which now restricts them from participating? I feel this is a catch-22 situation?
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thomas.rutherford
Jun 3, 2010 · 16y ago
I had a similar dilemma when I started contracting in 2006. My PCO did explain it a little differently, and our Legal office backed her up. The PCO is to ensure a requirement filled in a way that is in the "best interest of the government". To specifically exclude a currently performing qualified source would not take adavntage of his experience, equipment, or specialized tooling and processes (I am in a parts and equipment command). However, every time something came up that hadn't been procured in the last 5 years it began to be considered fair game even if we had a past producer, since the specialized tooling and experience was likely to be rusty (on both counts).
I share your frustration with utilizing the "shall" sources. I was very frustrated that my command never met their Service Disable Veteran or Veteran owned goals. The problem is Hub-Zone, 8(a), etc all come before veterans, so any progress towards a Veteran Owned goal was usually accidental, they won on a "Total Small business Set Asside".
Thomas
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Crazy KO
Jun 3, 2010 · 16y ago
http://sbc.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=P...9b-ea2a5b192a22
Have you guys read this? It may help your side of the debate with your KO.
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ji20874
Jun 3, 2010 · 16y ago
The contracting officer might be working from his or her experience, and there is value to real experience. The mere fact that two HUBZone small businesses responded to market research with a promise to submit a proposal does not necessarily create an expectation of receiving reasonably-priced proposals from two or more responsible HUBZone small businesses. But if the acquisition goes forward as a regular small business set-aside, and two or more responsible HUBZone small businesses do indeed submit reasonably-priced proposals, then for the next acquisition in the near future one might conclude that such an expectation as required by FAR 19.1305 ( b ) might exist [or substitute another preference program if desired]. I would support the contracting officer's decision and wait and see what the results are, and apply the results in the next similar acquisition.
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ji20874
Jun 3, 2010 · 16y ago
Krazy KO,
The citation you provided above likely will not be helpful in a discussion with the contracting officer -- the parity language was proposed, but it did not pass the Congress. Language that was proposed but did not pass should not be relied on as authoritative.
ji
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Crazy KO
Jun 4, 2010 · 16y ago
ji20874,
You have no idea that it will be helpful or not. You're making an assumption that it will likely not be. I gave original poster an avenue of approach. She is relatively new to contracts, as she stated. Any information that would help him/her in their quest to learn more, as in this case what I provided would be helpful information, is good for the learner.
Please don't be so quick to "correct."
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thomas.rutherford
Jun 4, 2010 · 16y ago
I enjoyed the article. Oh the infamous Conference Committee! It allows politicians to take a public vote for a measure that is needed to pander to a constituency (in this case disabled veterans), then kill it quietly never to be brought up again. If you don't see the senators or congressmen who proposed it immediately bring it back as a new law or ammendment they really didn't want it anyway and were counting on the conference committee to kill it.
I didn't really see how that addressed the original issue, it only created parity between "HUBZone, 8(a), and Service Disabled". I didn't see from the article how (even if passed) it would trump a KO's decision to use a Total Small Business Set Asside (SBSA) to make it HUBZone, 8(a), etc. Having a couple of HUBZones bid, wouldn't work in my case, unless one of them was selected for award. If we selected any other small business type for award then all future requirements would be total SBSA again, not HUBZone.
http://sbc.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=P...9b-ea2a5b192a22
Have you guys read this? It may help your side of the debate with your KO.
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Don Mansfield
Jun 4, 2010 · 16y ago
Has anyone considered reading the FAR? FAR 19.501( c ) clearly states a priority for HUBZone set-asides over small business set-asides:
For acquisitions exceeding the simplified acquisition threshold, the requirement to set aside an acquisition for HUBZone small business concerns (see 19.1305) takes priority over the requirement to set aside the acquisition for small business concerns.
The great debate going on has to do with priorities among 8(a), SDVOSB, and HUBZone. Nobody is arguing that HUBZone set-asides do not take priority over small business set-asides.
Lastly, contracting officers do not have the discretion to decide that doing a small business set-aside is in "the best interests of the Government" when the conditions for a HUBZone set-aside exist. The FAR Councils have already mandated that a HUBZone set-aside would be in the best interests of the Government in such a situation.
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Crazy KO
Jun 4, 2010 · 16y ago
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thomas.rutherford
Jun 4, 2010 · 16y ago
Has anyone considered reading the FAR? FAR 19.501( c ) clearly states a priority for HUBZone set-asides over small business set-asides:
The great debate going on has to do with priorities among 8(a), SDVOSB, and HUBZone. Nobody is arguing that HUBZone set-asides do not take priority over small business set-asides.
Lastly, contracting officers do not have the discretion to decide that doing a small business set-aside is in "the best interests of the Government" when the conditions for a HUBZone set-aside exist. The FAR Councils have already mandated that a HUBZone set-aside would be in the best interests of the Government in such a situation.
I think I have hit on what the KO is probably using as justification for not setting aside the procurement, FAR 19.1306(a)(3) i.e. may set asside if, "the requirement is not currently being performed by a non-HUBZone small business concern;". While this applies only to "Sole Source" HUBZone set asides, there is a similar restriction at 19.1304(d) against changing to a HUBZone if it is currently being procured from an 8(a). There is also an allowance at FAR 19.1305(
that requires a "reasonable expectation" that "Award will be made at a fair market price" before setting aside for "competition restricted to HUBZone". These exceptions at FAR19.1304 - 19.1306 could provide some basis for bypassing the HUBZone Set-Aside if proper market research was done, and or you currently had a "Non-HUBZone small business concern" performing the work. - D
Don Mansfield
Jun 6, 2010 · 16y ago
I think I have hit on what the KO is probably using as justification for not setting aside the procurement, FAR 19.1306(a)(3) i.e. may set asside if, "the requirement is not currently being performed by a non-HUBZone small business concern;". While this applies only to "Sole Source" HUBZone set asides, there is a similar restriction at 19.1304(d) against changing to a HUBZone if it is currently being procured from an 8(a). There is also an allowance at FAR 19.1305(
that requires a "reasonable expectation" that "Award will be made at a fair market price" before setting aside for "competition restricted to HUBZone". These exceptions at FAR19.1304 - 19.1306 could provide some basis for bypassing the HUBZone Set-Aside if proper market research was done, and or you currently had a "Non-HUBZone small business concern" performing the work.First, a sole source and a set-aside are two different things. A sole source is noncompetitive and a set-aside is competitive. Accordingly, there is no such thing as a "Sole Source" HUBZone set-aside. The rules at FAR 19.1305 apply to set-asides--not sole sources. The rules at FAR 19.1306 apply to sole sources--not set-asides. If the conditions for both a small business set-aside and a HUBZone set-aside exist for an acquisition above the SAT, you must proceed with a HUBZone set-aside. Period. No "best interest of the Government" exception. No importing rules that only apply to HUBZone sole sources. No making up rules, either.
Now if the requirement is currently being fulfilled through the 8(a) Program, that's a different story. However, I don't see how that applies to ipod24's situation.
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ipod24
Jun 7, 2010 · 16y ago
First of I want to thank you all for providing such informative responses. Don, thank you for the FAR clarity. Though, hypothetically based on my situation, if I did set-aside my requirement HUBZone the likelihood that the incumbent contractor will protest is most probable (he has expressed this). The incumbent, as stated in my first post, is only a small business. Any contractor can protest, however, in his situation... what grounds does he have to protest, aside from being bitter and spiteful?
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Don Mansfield
Jun 7, 2010 · 16y ago
First of I want to thank you all for providing such informative responses. Don, thank you for the FAR clarity. Though, hypothetically based on my situation, if I did set-aside my requirement HUBZone the likelihood that the incumbent contractor will protest is most probable (he has expressed this). The incumbent, as stated in my first post, is only a small business. Any contractor can protest, however, in his situation... what grounds does he have to protest, aside from being bitter and spiteful?
If 1) the value of the acquisition exceeds the SAT, 2) you have a reasonable expectation that offers will be received from two or more HUBZone small business concerns, and 3) you have a reasonable expectation that award will be made at a fair market price, then the incumbent SB contractor will have no basis to protest your office proceeding with a HUBZone set-aside, assuming that your market research documentation is adequate.
You may want to explain to the incumbent that you have no discretion in this regard. Show them that FAR 19.501( c ) has tied your hands. Don't try to be an advocate for the rule--you can even sympathize with him. I've had these discussions with angry small businesses and have been able to redirect their displeasure at the FAR.
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thomas.rutherford
Jun 9, 2010 · 16y ago
If 1) the value of the acquisition exceeds the SAT, 2) you have a reasonable expectation that offers will be received from two or more HUBZone small business concerns, and 3) you have a reasonable expectation that award will be made at a fair market price, then the incumbent SB contractor will have no basis to protest your office proceeding with a HUBZone set-aside, assuming that your market research documentation is adequate.
You may want to explain to the incumbent that you have no discretion in this regard. Show them that FAR 19.501( c ) has tied your hands. Don't try to be an advocate for the rule--you can even sympathize with him. I've had these discussions with angry small businesses and have been able to redirect their displeasure at the FAR.
I still think you are over simplifying the language by making this about FAR 19.1305 vs. 19.1306. I believe it is entirely correct to look at the two concurrently in establishing precedence. Following the precedence in 19.1305(a) makes the priority (1. HUBZone set-aside, 2. HUBZone Sole-Source, 3. Small Business Set Aside) but FAR 19.1306(a)(3) makes prior performance by a "non-HUBZone small business" a higher priority than #2 the "HUBZone Sole-Source". Therefore, prior performance is higher than #2, and #1 HUBZone set-aside is also higher than #2. I.e. read together ?prior non-HUBZone performance? could be at least equal to HUBZone set-aside.
I know, I know, "shall set aside". However, even that isn't absolute if you look at FAR19.1305© between micro and simplified it is "may" not "shall". I think as written the FAR has enough ambiguity that each contracting officer would have to determine whether they are equal or not while trying to decipher regulatory intent.
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Don Mansfield
Jun 9, 2010 · 16y ago
Good grief. I give up.
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dwgerard
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
And how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Until Congress, GAO, SBA, and all the people up in the nosebleed pay grades get their stuff together and decide among themselves what the actual rules should be, we mice will continue to debate without any hope of reaching a consensus.
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formerfed
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
Good grief. I give up.
Good grief is right!
read together ?prior non-HUBZone performance? could be at least equal to HUBZone set-aside.
tr - This is langauge. You are making assumptions like this is a mathematical equation. The regulations simply say one cannot do a sole source HUBZone award when the work is currently performed by a non-HUBZone contractor. That's it. Don't read more into it than that.
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Marine_1
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
Has your agency's small business rep reviewed the requirement and provided a position to the CO? We often see market research results that simply demonstrate the number of potential offerors rather than illustrating the likely 'capability' of those offerors to provide a viable response that is likely to provide the anticipated value to the government. Other factors should be included in the market assessment - including those that reflect the objectives of the requirement - in making the final determination. I would consult with your small business rep - if the rationale stands up, then that individual can engage with the CO.
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thomas.rutherford
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
Good grief is right!
tr - This is langauge. You are making assumptions like this is a mathematical equation. The regulations simply say one cannot do a sole source HUBZone award when the work is currently performed by a non-HUBZone contractor. That's it. Don't read more into it than that.
Language should convey the idea with a certain degree of precision. To lift a single point out of the FAR without reading the whole context of the various small programs and set-asides could lead to mistakes. Although a set-aside and a sole-source HUBZone are "different", they do deal with the same underlying SBA program. So dispite your dismissive statements to the contrary about language not being precise, I do think the PCO could have a valid case when reviewing the whole regulatory context.
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thomas.rutherford
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
Has your agency's small business rep reviewed the requirement and provided a position to the CO? We often see market research results that simply demonstrate the number of potential offerors rather than illustrating the likely 'capability' of those offerors to provide a viable response that is likely to provide the anticipated value to the government. Other factors should be included in the market assessment - including those that reflect the objectives of the requirement - in making the final determination. I would consult with your small business rep - if the rationale stands up, then that individual can engage with the CO.
Yes, My agency small business rep has reviewed this procedure and actually approves/condones these "non-HUBZone" exceptions. This might be because we exceed the goal every year even with using this exception.
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Marine_1
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
....on to the next mission then.
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formerfed
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
Language should convey the idea with a certain degree of precision. To lift a single point out of the FAR without reading the whole context of the various small programs and set-asides could lead to mistakes. Although a set-aside and a sole-source HUBZone are "different", they do deal with the same underlying SBA program. So dispite your dismissive statements to the contrary about language not being precise, I do think the PCO could have a valid case when reviewing the whole regulatory context.
You're reading the regulations out of context. Take a look at the HUBZone authorizing legislation of 15 U.S.C. ? 657a
"(a) In general
There is established within the Administration a program to be carried out by the Administrator to provide for Federal contracting
assistance to qualified HUBZone small business concerns in accordance with this section.
(
Eligible contracts(1) Definitions
In this subsection -
(A) the term "contracting officer" has the meaning given that term in section 423(f)(5) of title 41; and
(
the term "full and open competition" has the meaning given that term in section 403 of title 41.(2) Authority of contracting officer
Notwithstanding any other provision of law -
(A) a contracting officer may award sole source contracts under this section to any qualified HUBZone small business
concern, if -
(i) the qualified HUBZone small business concern is determined to be a responsible contractor with respect to
performance of such contract opportunity, and the contracting officer does not have a reasonable expectation that 2 or more
qualified HUBZone small business concerns will submit offers for the contracting opportunity;
(ii) the anticipated award price of the contract (including options) will not exceed -
(I) $5,000,000, in the case of a contract opportunity assigned a standard industrial classification code for
manufacturing; or
(II) $3,000,000, in the case of all other contract opportunities; and
(iii) in the estimation of the contracting officer, the contract award can be made at a fair and reasonable price;
(
a contract opportunity shall be awarded pursuant to this section on the basis of competition restricted to qualifiedHUBZone small business concerns if the contracting officer has a reasonable expectation that not less than 2 qualified HUBZone
small business concerns will submit offers and that the award can be made at a fair market price; and ......"
It says the Contracting Officer may award a HUBZone contract on a sole source basis if there is no reasonable expectation that 2 or more HUBZone concerns will submit offers and the Contracting Officer shall award a contract on the basis of HUBZone if two or more HUBZone concerns are expecetd to submit offers.
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Guest Vern Edwards
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
Language should convey the idea with a certain degree of precision. To lift a single point out of the FAR without reading the whole context of the various small programs and set-asides could lead to mistakes. Although a set-aside and a sole-source HUBZone are "different", they do deal with the same underlying SBA program. So dispite your dismissive statements to the contrary about language not being precise, I do think the PCO could have a valid case when reviewing the whole regulatory context.
The language of FAR 19.1305 does convey the idea with precision. It is you who are making things murky by trying to apply an exception to the rules for HUBZone set-asides that clearly applies only to the rules for HUBZone sole source awards. You will find no doctrine of statutory or regulatory interpretation that will support your absurd interpretation of a rule that is crystal clear.
FAR 19.1305 is unequivocal:
(a) A participating agency contracting officer shall set aside acquisitions exceeding the simplified acquisition threshold for competition restricted to HUBZone small business concerns when the requirements of paragraph (
of this section can be satisfied. The contracting officer shall consider HUBZone set-asides before considering HUBZone sole source awards (see 19.1306) or small business set-asides (see Subpart 19.5).(
To set aside an acquisition for competition restricted to HUBZone small business concerns, the contracting officer must have a reasonable expectation that?(1) Offers will be received from two or more HUBZone small business concerns; and
(2) Award will be made at a fair market price.
We have been given one fact and we make one assumption:
Fact: Two HUBZone small businesses have said that they can and will compete for the job.
Assumption: Award will be made at a fair market price. (I can't imagine any CO saying otherwise.)
Supposing that the assertions of the HUBZone small businesses are reliable and that the assumption is true, then, on the basis of the plain language of the FAR, the procurement must be set-aside for HUBZone small business concerns. The exception for incumbent small businesses in FAR 19.1306(a)(3) is not relevant, since, by its express terms, it applies only to HUBZone sole source awards (reflecting a preference for a 19.502-2 competition to a sole source award). Your ultimate reasoning, such as it is, is not valid. First, you assert:
Although a set-aside and a sole-source HUBZone are "different", they do deal with the same underlying SBA program.
You then conclude:
I do think the PCO could have a valid case [for not making a HUBZone set-aside] when reviewing the whole regulatory context.
Non sequitur. Your conclusion does not follow from that assertion.
The fact that the incumbent is a small business is irrelevant. If the CO presses on with a set-aside under FAR 19.502-2 instead of 19.1305, he/she should prepare to lose a protest.
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thomas.rutherford
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
No one yet has really addressed my point except to denegrate it.
Only the GAO has ruled for the strict application of HUBZone Set-Aside that you proposed, and the Justice Department has argued that it has the authority to countermand the GOA decision, see articles in next paragraph. The Court of Federal Claims apparently agrees with the GOA but the Senate attempted to clarify the equality of the various SBA program in FY10 Appropriations (but it got lost in Conference).
The OMB, Justice Department, and SBA all appear to agree with my position. http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0310/030810rb1.htm
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?file...09/071309e1.htm
Until the Senate gets their language thoough Conference Committee, it seems that there is a disagreement between the Court of Federal Claims and the Executive Branch.
My point is that 19.1305(a) lists the following heirarchy:
HUBZone Set-Aside
HUBZone Sole Source
Small Business Set Asides
Given FAR 19.1305(a) How could a Small Business EVER be higher priority than any HUBZone Sole Source?
However, FAR 19.1306(a)(3) offers an apparently contradictory Priority:
Prior Performing Small Business
HUBZone Sole Source
Note, Now a Small Business can be higher priority than a HUBZone Sole Source, the only thing that changed is prior performance. So, building this scenario by applying FAR 19.13 as a whole, the combined position could be:
Prior Performing Small Business
HUBZone Set Aside
HUBZone Sole Source
SBSA
or....
HUBZone Set Aside
Prior Performing Small business
HUB Zone Sole Source
SBSA
The SBA, OMB, Justice Department, some Senators, and I appear to agree with someting similar to the first Option.
The Court of Federal Claims, GAO, Vern, Don, etc appear to agree with the Second Option.
This really seems a case of which branch do we work for... Executive... Who passes the laws... Legislative... Who interprets them... Judicial... When they disagree then what???
This is much like 1984.... It appears that even Inner Party (elected officials) can't agree. This Outer Party member is guilty of the Thought Crime of not exercising Double Think. I guess I am a candidate for the the Ministry of Love so I can confess my crimes and "believe the truth" and beg the merciful punishment of Big Brother.
Maintaining a Sense of Humor,
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Guest Vern Edwards
Jun 10, 2010 · 16y ago
Well, throw away your sense of humor.
The GAO decision, the Court of Federal Claims decision, the Justice Department opinion, and the Senate bill have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Don Mansfield pointed that out in Post # 8 six days ago. Those documents address only the question of parity/priority among HUBZone, SDVOSB, and 8(a). They do not deal with FAR 19.1305 versus FAR 19.502-2 set-asides, which is what this thread has been about.
You have misread the GAO decision.
You have misread the Court of Claims decision.
You have misread the Justice Department opinion.
You have misread the Senate bill.
And you have misread the FAR.
Quite a tally. You should call it a day.
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brian
Jun 11, 2010 · 16y ago
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I may be wrong. Yet again.
But I think Mr. Rutherford is displaying a "can do" attitude in which he believes it is the contracting professional's duty to get the Requiring Activity customer whatever they want, regardless of the requirements in law or in the FAR.
He is attempting to creatively interpret what is chiseled in stone.
I assume that the RA customer wants to keep doing business with the incumbent, and does not particularly care about competition, fairness, openness, price reasonableness or socio-economic programs.
I believe that Mr. Rutherford misunderstands the role of the professional. I believe that role is to get the customer what they want WITHIN THE BOUNDS of the regulatory framework.
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jvanhorne
Jun 16, 2010 · 15y ago
Until Congress, GAO, SBA, and all the people up in the nosebleed pay grades get their stuff together and decide among themselves what the actual rules should be, we mice will continue to debate without any hope of reaching a consensus.
I understood the current dispute between GAO, SBA/DOJ and Congress to be over priority between the various special set-aside programs (8a, HUBZone, SDVO) and not priority of those programs over a generic small business set-aside.
As it stands, I don't think a contracting officer has any choice but to give all of those special programs parity as directed by DOJ. Interesting question whether a bid protest of that CO decision would make sense, at least while the appeal of Mission Critical Solutions is pending. Given the GAO position, a protest there would be pointless. At the Court of Federal Claims, while the GAO opinions and the MCS Court of Federal Claims opinion would support a protest, other judges in the Court are not obligated to follow the MCS decision. While the Court doesn't follow the GAO timeliness rules, one can't wait forever to file a protest.
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Don Mansfield
Jun 17, 2010 · 15y ago
As it stands, I don't think a contracting officer has any choice but to give all of those special programs parity as directed by DOJ.
Under what authority would a contracting officer be permitted to deviate from the FAR? FAR 19.800(e) states a priority for 8(a) over HUBZone set-asides and SDVOSB set-asides:
Before deciding to set aside an acquisition in accordance with Subpart 19.5, 19.13 [HUBZone], or 19.14 [sDVOSB], the contracting officer should review the acquisition for offering under the 8(a) Program.
Further, the FAR prioritizes HUBZone set-asides over SDVOSB set-asides (FAR 19.1305(a) uses "shall" while FAR 19.1405(a) uses "may").
There is a FAR case that would have implemented socioeconomic program parity in the FAR by removing "19.13, or 19.14" from FAR 19.800(e) and changing "shall" to "may" at FAR 19.1305(a). See 73 FR 12699. However, the case has been on hold and the FAR remains unchanged in this regard.
Does OMB or DOJ have the authority to direct agency contracting officers to deviate from the FAR? My understanding of FAR 1.4 is that this authority is vested in the agency head. I would think that for an agency contracting officer to comply with OMB's memo, they would need authority to deviate from the FAR from the agency head. Agency heads can grant this authority but, to my knowledge, none have. All I've seen is policy memos that say "follow the attached memo from OMB." For example, DoD issued this memo last month. Do such memos have the legal effect of a class deviation?
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Guest Vern Edwards
Jun 17, 2010 · 15y ago
SBA has the authority to promulgate regulations that implement small business programs, not the FAR councils. SBA has interpreted the law to the effect that there is parity among the programs. The GAO decisions are not binding on the executive branch and the COFC decision is not precedential. FAR 1.602-1(
says that COs must ensure that all laws are complied with in the award of contracts. If I were a CO I would say that I have determined that 13 CFR overrides 48 CFR with respect to small business programs and that I decided to comply with 13 CFR. My determination will cause no trouble for me if my agency head supports my course of action. An agency head can, in my opinion, decide to comply with Executive Branch policy about the interpretation of statute until the Federal Circuit rules on the matter.The FAR is not the sole or absolute authority in acquisition. At least 18 other titles of the CFR govern aspects of acquisition, and some take precedence over the FAR, e.g., 29 CFR. The FAR has on at least three occasions been found to be inconsistent with statute by the Federal Circuit. In the case of FAR 33.208(a), the Federal Circuit had found it to be invalid in three decisions rendered over the course of about 15 years, yet the FAR councils have never taken corrective action. COs must comply with all the rules, not just FAR. And when FAR is in conflict with other rules, the CO must decision which to obey. Until the Federal Circuit rules otherwise, there is parity among the three small business programs, except in one case as decided by the COFC, which is being appealed. There is no guarantee that a different judge on the COFC would rule the same way, since the decisions of the judges are not binding on each other.
By the way, DOJ has not directed anyone to do anything. It has merely stated its position on the law. OMB has said that Executive agencies should adhere to the policy established by SBA, which was promulgated in accordance with the Administrative Procedures Act and after public notice and comment.
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Don Mansfield
Jun 17, 2010 · 15y ago
If I were a CO I would say that I have determined that 13 CFR overrides 48 CFR with respect to small business programs and that I decided to comply with 13 CFR. My determination will cause no trouble for me if my agency head supports my course of action.
What would be your authority to deviate from the FAR? Does an individual CO have the authority to deviate from the FAR because they think it makes sense?
An agency head can, in my opinion, decide to comply with Executive Branch policy about the interpretation of statute until the Federal Circuit rules on the matter.
Agreed. However, they should grant their contracting officers the authority to deviate from the FAR.
The FAR is not the sole or absolute authority in acquisition. At least 18 other titles of the CFR govern aspects of acquisition, and some take precedence over the FAR, e.g., 29 CFR. The FAR has on at least three occasions been found to be inconsistent with statute by the Federal Circuit. In the case of FAR 33.208(a), the Federal Circuit had found it to be invalid in three decisions rendered over the course of about 15 years, yet the FAR councils have never taken corrective action. COs must comply with all the rules, not just FAR. And when FAR is in conflict with other rules, the CO must decision which to obey. Until the Federal Circuit rules otherwise, there is parity among the three small business programs, except in one case as decided by the COFC, which is being appealed. There is no guarantee that a different judge on the COFC would rule the same way, since the decisions of the judges are not binding on each other.
I'm not arguing that the FAR is right. However, the FAR places limits on the CO's authority to pursue a policy that is inconsistent with it. Yes, FAR 1.602-1(
requires the CO to comply with all requirements of law, etc., but doing so may require the CO to deviate from the FAR. You imply that if the FAR is inconsistent with other rules, an individual CO can decide to deviate from the FAR without approval from the agency head. On what legal basis? I don't see this discretion given to the contracting officer at FAR 1.4.By the way, DOJ has not directed anyone to do anything.
Actually, DPAP received direction from DOJ in issuing the May 18 memo. This is what they told me.
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napolik
Jun 17, 2010 · 15y ago
I'm not arguing that the FAR is right. However, the FAR places limits on the CO's authority to pursue a policy that is inconsistent with it. Yes, FAR 1.602-1(
requires the CO to comply with all requirements of law, etc., but doing so may require the CO to deviate from the FAR. You imply that if the FAR is inconsistent with other rules, an individual CO can decide to deviate from the FAR without approval from the agency head. On what legal basis? I don't see this discretion given to the contracting officer at FAR 1.4.Does the OMB memo of July 2009 carry any weight?
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Pending the completion of the legal review of the GAO?s decisions by the Executive Branch, the SBA?s ?parity? regulations should not be disregarded by contracting officers, and Federal agencies should not, as a result of the GAO?s decisions, be compelled to prioritize HUBZone small businesses over 8(a) BD or SDVOSBs. Instead, until the legal review is completed, Federal agencies should continue to give active consideration to each small business program pursuant to their pre-existing contracting practices and ?parity? policies.
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thomas.rutherford
Jun 17, 2010 · 15y ago
What would be your authority to deviate from the FAR? Does an individual CO have the authority to deviate from the FAR because they think it makes sense?
Agreed. However, they should grant their contracting officers the authority to deviate from the FAR.
I'm not arguing that the FAR is right. However, the FAR places limits on the CO's authority to pursue a policy that is inconsistent with it. Yes, FAR 1.602-1(
requires the CO to comply with all requirements of law, etc., but doing so may require the CO to deviate from the FAR. You imply that if the FAR is inconsistent with other rules, an individual CO can decide to deviate from the FAR without approval from the agency head. On what legal basis? I don't see this discretion given to the contracting officer at FAR 1.4.Actually, DPAP received direction from DOJ in issuing the May 18 memo. This is what they told me.
Interesting note, on FAR 19.1305(a), maybe the CO has the room to "deviate" without really having to deviate. It says that a, "Contracting Officer shall consider..." (note, not "shall set-aside) If the CO documented that they considered the HUBZone, but determined it wasn't appropriate because of X. FAR 19.1305(
sets the minimum criteria for doing a HUBZone set-aside, "To set aside an acquisition for competition restricted" really means, "before doing a set aside, be sure the following minimum criteria are met".Seriously,
Thomas
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Don Mansfield
Jun 17, 2010 · 15y ago
Does the OMB memo of July 2009 carry any weight?
I think the OMB memo provides adequate justification for an agency head to authorize a class deviation. However, I don't view the memo (or agency memos with OMB's memo attached) as a class deviation.
Suppose a contracting officer follows the memo and decides to set aside a procurement for SDVOSBs without considering offering the procurement to the SBA under the 8(a) Program (and there were 8(a) participants who could perform the work). This would be inconsistent with FAR 19.800(e). The contracting officer does not seek approval of the deviation. Now suppose one of the 8(a) firms protests the contracting officer's decision to pursue an SDVOSB set-aside because the contracting officer deviated from the FAR without authorization from the agency head. How would the contracting officer defend him/herself against such a protest? They violated a legal regulation because OMB told them to?
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Guest Vern Edwards
Jun 17, 2010 · 15y ago
What would be your authority to deviate from the FAR? Does an individual CO have the authority to deviate from the FAR because they think it makes sense?
There is more than ample documentation in the public record to support a CO who decides to comply with OMB guidance to follow SBA policy consistent with DOJ opinion. Who in the heck do you think is going to come after him or her in light of the OMB and DOJ memos (and, in your case, the DPAP May 19 memo)? OMB is part of the Executive Office of the President.
FAR 1.602-1 (
says that COs must comply with all the rules. When the rules conflict, and when the cognizant policymaker, SBA, and OMB and DOJ say what they think the proper policy is, I think it's ridiculous to say that a CO must process a request for a deviation in order to follow the chosen policy. That kind of paper-pushing is the worst kind of bureaucracy. What if the FAR said to do something that the Supreme Court had determined to be against the law and OMB said agencies must proceed in accordance with the Court's decision? Would you require a CO to go against the Court and OMB in the absence of a deviation?I'm not arguing that the FAR is right. However, the FAR places limits on the CO's authority to pursue a policy that is inconsistent with it. Yes, FAR 1.602-1(
requires the CO to comply with all requirements of law, etc., but doing so may require the CO to deviate from the FAR. You imply that if the FAR is inconsistent with other rules, an individual CO can decide to deviate from the FAR without approval from the agency head. On what legal basis? I don't see this discretion given to the contracting officer at FAR 1.4.On the legal basis that FAR charges him or her with the obligation to comply with all statute, executive order, regulation, policy, etc. I would not want a CO to go off on his or her own in interpreting statute or policy in contravention of the FAR, but you have SBA policy, OMB direction to follow it, and DOJ opinion in support, for goodness sake! I would check with my superiors, and would not proceed if they told me not to, but I'll be damned if I would hold up a contract action while a bleeping request for deviation works its way through a bunch of REMFs. I'm a rule follower, but this is too much. I respect the rules, but you're worshipping them. I want COs to follow the rules, but I don't want them to be stupid about it.
Here is my Memo for the Record:
Subject: Decision to set acquisition aside for SDVOSB concerns/FAR deviation
In planning this acquisition and making the decision to set it aside for Service Disabled Veteran Owned Small Businesses, I proceeded in accordance with Title 13 of the C.F.R. instead of FAR 19.1305. I decided not to seek authority to deviate from the FAR, because the current governmentwide policy has been clearly stated in the attached official memoranda by OMB, DOJ, and DPAP, which instruct agencies to proceed in accordance with SBA policy, and thus it is clear to me that FAR 19.1305(a) is no longer operatively effectively. See also the proposed rule of March 10, 2008, 73 FR 12699, FAR Case No. 2006-034. Under the circumstances, to seek a approval to deviate from the FAR before proceeding would be pro forma, rather than a genuine legal necessity, and thus a misuse of resources.
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Vbus
Jun 18, 2010 · 15y ago
When the Test Program for use of Simplified Acquisition Procedures for Certain Commercial Items expired in January 2008, the Chairman of the Civilian Agency Acquisition Council sent out a memo to all civilian agencies that served as "consultation" for a class deviation to extend the use of the Test Program until the FAR was rewritten to reflect an extended date that had not yet been promulgated. The memo said in part:
"Pending issuance of a final rule effecting the change, it is recommended that civilian agencies authorize a class deviation in accordance with FAR 1.404 to extend the program."
In fact, the CAAC has sent out several such mass memos in the past to civilian agencies to recommend class deviations to many different parts of the FAR, including two this year. Here is a current listing: https://www.acquisition.gov/comp/caac/caacletters.htm
If the CAAC sent out a similar such "consultation" memo to agencies recommending a class deviation to allow parity among HUBZone, 8A, and SDVOSB firms, each civilian agency could authorize their own class deviation and put this issue to rest until the new law is passed and new rule promulgated into the FAR.
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Guest Vern Edwards
Jun 18, 2010 · 15y ago
Silly paperwork. As soon as the statute was signed into law the test program was extended. Statute trumps regulation. Why process a deviation? Just proceed and let the FAR councils catch up with reality.
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Vbus
Jun 18, 2010 · 15y ago
Silly paperwork. As soon as the statute was signed into law the test program was extended. Statute trumps regulation. Why process a deviation? Just proceed and let the FAR councils catch up with reality.
Silly? I don't think so. I think CO's in general would feel much more secure proceeding if they had that piece of paper. I don't think it's too much to ask an HCA to sign one class deviation to let everyone in your contracting office know that you understand the issues and to instruct CO's on how you want them to proceed. There has been no guidance or communication of any kind from the leadership in my office on this subject.
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napolik
Jun 18, 2010 · 15y ago
When the Test Program for use of Simplified Acquisition Procedures for Certain Commercial Items expired in January 2008, the Chairman of the Civilian Agency Acquisition Council sent out a memo to all civilian agencies that served as "consultation" for a class deviation to extend the use of the Test Program until the FAR was rewritten to reflect an extended date that had not yet been promulgated. The memo said in part:
"Pending issuance of a final rule effecting the change, it is recommended that civilian agencies authorize a class deviation in accordance with FAR 1.404 to extend the program."
In fact, the CAAC has sent out several such mass memos in the past to civilian agencies to recommend class deviations to many different parts of the FAR, including two this year. Here is a current listing: https://www.acquisition.gov/comp/caac/caacletters.htm
If the CAAC sent out a similar such "consultation" memo to agencies recommending a class deviation to allow parity among HUBZone, 8A, and SDVOSB firms, each civilian agency could authorize their own class deviation and put this issue to rest until the new law is passed and new rule promulgated into the FAR.
Did your HCA issue a deviation?
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Vbus
Jun 18, 2010 · 15y ago
Did your HCA issue a deviation?
No, like I said, there has been no guidance or communication of any kind from the leadership in my office on this subject. Perhaps I will suggest it.
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napolik
Jun 18, 2010 · 15y ago
No, like I said, there has been no guidance or communication of any kind from the leadership in my office on this subject. Perhaps I will suggest it.
When the Test Program for use of Simplified Acquisition Procedures for Certain Commercial Items expired in January 2008?
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Don Mansfield
Jun 18, 2010 · 15y ago
There is more than ample documentation in the public record to support a CO who decides to comply with OMB guidance to follow SBA policy consistent with DOJ opinion. Who in the heck do you think is going to come after him or her in light of the OMB and DOJ memos (and, in your case, the DPAP May 19 memo)?
I doubt anyone is going to "come after him", but that's not the appropriate standard for deciding whether or not a rule should be followed.
FAR 1.602-1 (
says that COs must comply with all the rules. When the rules conflict, and when the cognizant policymaker, SBA, and OMB and DOJ say what they think the proper policy is, I think it's ridiculous to say that a CO must process a request for a deviation in order to follow the chosen policy. That kind of paper-pushing is the worst kind of bureaucracy. What if the FAR said to do something that the Supreme Court had determined to be against the law and OMB said agencies must proceed in accordance with the Court's decision? Would you require a CO to go against the Court and OMB in the absence of a deviation?I, too, think that it's ridiculous to make a CO request a deviation. When agency heads issued their memos advising their contracting officers to follow a policy that is inconsistent with the FAR, they should have given them the legal authority to do so. It could have been the same memo.
On the legal basis that FAR charges him or her with the obligation to comply with all statute, executive order, regulation, policy, etc.
Your logic fails because the CO cannot comply with FAR 1.602-2(
AND deviate from the FAR without authorization.I would not want a CO to go off on his or her own in interpreting statute or policy in contravention of the FAR, but you have SBA policy, OMB direction to follow it, and DOJ opinion in support, for goodness sake! I would check with my superiors, and would not proceed if they told me not to, but I'll be damned if I would hold up a contract action while a bleeping request for deviation works its way through a bunch of REMFs. I'm a rule follower, but this is too much. I respect the rules, but you're worshipping them. I want COs to follow the rules, but I don't want them to be stupid about it.
If I understand your position correctly, you think that a CO can deviate from the FAR without authorization if they believe that the FAR is inconsistent with a more authoritative regulation, a statute, or a court decision. You believe this based on FAR 1.602-2(
. In the absence of FAR Subpart 1.4 I would agree with you. However, FAR Subpart 1.4 sets forth a procedure for authorizing deviations that requires approval from the agency head. The FAR does not grant the CO the discretion to deviate without authorization, even if the CO has a good reason.From a practical standpoint, I think that if the FAR were inconsistent with a more authoritative regulation, a statute, or a court decision, then it would be the responsibility of the agency head to issue a class deviation that would be effective until the FAR was changed--the CO shouldn't have to ask permission.
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ji20874
Jun 19, 2010 · 15y ago
I think I understand both sides... The GAO has had its opinion for a long time, and then OMB and DOJ have their differing opinion, and in March "the U.S. Court of Federal Claims ruled that the HUBZone statute creates a mandatory preference that takes precedence over other small business programs, codifying an earlier decision by the Government Accountability Office (GAO)" (from Acquisition Solutions)... What is a contracting officer to do?
A contracting officer shouldn't feel a need to research and justify and beg for a FAR deviation for something that is clearly executive branch policy, and yet a contracting officer should act under some authority. Vern asserts the current executive branch policy is sufficient. I agree. I work for the President (albeit indirectly) -- so does every other federal executive branch contracting officer. If the GAO sustains a protest against me when I do a SDVOSB set-aside instead of a HUBZone set-aside, that's fine. Then it will become an agency decision whether to follow the GAO guidance in the protest decision. But for the time being, I don't think GAO is sustaining these protests, in light of the confusion.
And yet I'm also sympathetic to the notion that agency heads and HCAs should issue guidance to the contracting officers in their organizations.
In my agency (Forest Service), there has been no direction from the top. I'm free to do whatever I want with my acquisitions, and I'm expected to act prudently and to be able to defend my actions if questioned. I can responsibly handle that professional discretion.
Any contracting officer who is not able to responsibly exercise that discretion should simply ask his or her supervisor in contracting channels for instructions, and then follow those instructions -- whatever they are. If the supervisor says parity, then parity is the answer. If the supervisor says HUBZone always, then that is the answer. [For me, I'm not going to ask my supervisor because I feel I can responsibly handle the matter myself.]
But certainly we don't want to clog up the pipes with thousands of individual deviation requests, all separately researched and differently justified. And surely we don't want every agency head or HCA to issue separately written class deviations (perhaps with differing conclusions).
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Guest Vern Edwards
Jun 19, 2010 · 15y ago
Don:
FAR 33.208 says that interest on amounts found due on a claim must be paid from either (1) the date the CO receives the claim or (2) the date payment otherwise becomes due, whichever is later, until the amount is paid. The Federal Circuit has, in three decisions between 1996 and 2006, interpreted the Contract Disputes Act to the effect that interest is due from the date that the CO receives the claim, period. The FAR councils have no authority to override the CDA, thus, FAR 33.208(a)(2) is legally invalid. The consequence is that a contractor can earn interest on amounts that it has not spent. The Federal Circuit has said that if Congress does not like that it can change the CDA. Senator Strom Thurman tried three times to get Congress to change the CDA, but was unable to do so. FAR, however, has never been changed to bring it into line with the CDA and interpreted by the Federal Circuit. The rulings of the Federal Circuit have precedential authority.
1. As a CO, would you seek a deviation from FAR before agreeing to pay the interest to which a contractor is entitled under the CDA, recognizing that any delay in payment would result in the payment of even more interest?
2. Would the CO be justified in paying the interest, FAR 33.208(a)(2) notwithstanding, on the basis of the Federal Circuit's decisions and concern for the public purse?
3. Does FAR always dictate a CO's course of action, even when it's wrong?
4. If the current FAR is right about HUBZone priority, and SBA, OMB, and DOJ are wrong, would a deviation make it okay to follow their interpretation?
5. If the agency head issued a class deviation, and the deviation said that you were to follow SBA-OMB-DOJ, and then the Federal Circuit ruled against SBA-OMB-DOJ, would you have to go back and seek a deviation from the deviation, could you just decide not to comply with it?
6. Do all provisions of FAR have the force and effect of law?
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Don Mansfield
Jun 20, 2010 · 15y ago
1. As a CO, would you seek a deviation from FAR before agreeing to pay the interest to which a contractor is entitled under the CDA, recognizing that any delay in payment would result in the payment of even more interest?
Assuming that the contractor was requesting interest from the date they submitted the claim and that the date "payment would otherwise be due" was a later date, I would seek a deviation from FAR before agreeing to pay interest from the date that the contractor submitted the claim. From a practical standpoint, I would first agree to pay interest from the date "payment would otherwise be due." I would then advise the contractor that I knew that they were entitled to interest from the date they submitted the claim, but that I did not have the authority to deviate from FAR. I would, however, request such authority and keep him informed.
I would then request the deviation from the agency head and inform all who handled the request that interest on the claim was accruing while they took their time considering my request. Hopefully, while the request was working its way up the chain it would pass through someone who was on the ball and realized that 1) the FAR needed to be changed and 2) that the agency head should immediately issue a class deviation effective until the FAR was changed.
2. Would the CO be justified in paying the interest, FAR 33.208(a)(2) notwithstanding, on the basis of the Federal Circuit's decisions and concern for the public purse?
I'm not sure what you mean by "justified." I don't think anything bad would (or should) happen to the CO. However, they would still be deviating from the FAR without authority. It would be a technical violation.
3. Does FAR always dictate a CO's course of action, even when it's wrong?
FAR 1.602-1(
dictates a CO's course of action. However, a CO may have to deviate from parts of the FAR to comply with FAR 1.602-1(
.4. If the current FAR is right about HUBZone priority, and SBA, OMB, and DOJ are wrong, would a deviation make it okay to follow their interpretation?
The FAR doesn't prioritize HUBZone over 8(a)--it's actually the other way around. FAR 19.800(e) states: "Before deciding to set aside an acquisition in accordance with Subpart 19.5 [small Business set-asides], 19.13 [HUBZone], or 19.14 [sDVOSB], the contracting officer should review the acquisition for offering under the 8(a) Program." If your question is about the HUBZone priority over SDVOSB that exists in the FAR (and which is how the GAO reads the HUBZone statute), then I think it would be okay for the agency head to issue a deviation creating parity between the programs.
5. If the agency head issued a class deviation, and the deviation said that you were to follow SBA-OMB-DOJ, and then the Federal Circuit ruled against SBA-OMB-DOJ, would you have to go back and seek a deviation from the deviation, could you just decide not to comply with it?
Ok. So the agency head issues a class deviation eliminating the 8(a)/HUBZone/SDVOSB order of priority in the FAR and, subsequently, the CAFC decides that the HUBZone Program takes priority over 8(a) and SDVOSB. I don't see why a CO would need a deviation if they were to, henceforth, consider HUBZone set-asides before 8(a) or SDVOSB. It's hard not to comply with a deviation telling the CO to follow SBA-OMB-DOJ, because such a deviation gives COs discretion to choose among programs.
6. Do all provisions of FAR have the force and effect of law?
I don't know.
I think that you are looking at this situation from the practical standpoint of the contracting officer. I am looking at it from the standpoint of an agency's technical compliance with the FAR. When an agency head advises its COs to adopt a policy that is inconsistent with the FAR, he/she should also formally authorize the deviation in accordance with FAR Subpart 1.4. Failure to do so puts the CO in a bad spot. They are being told to do something but are not being granted the clear legal authority to do it. I would not fault a CO for proceeding without technically having the authority to deviate and documenting the file with the type of memo that you wrote, nor should the agency head have a problem with it, considering that they were remiss in not providing the authority in the first place.
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Guest Vern Edwards
Jun 21, 2010 · 15y ago
Yep, I'm being pragmatic.
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FAR Fetched
Jun 22, 2010 · 15y ago
Good stuff so far