Multiple Award IDIQ Contracts - What are they?
Started by Vern Edwards · Mar 5, 2021 · 111 replies
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Two questions:
1. When the government makes "multiple awards" pursuant to FAR 16.505(c)(1), is it---
(A) awarding a single contract with multiple parties, each of which is severally liable or
(B) establishing a pool of multiple separate contracts with the same terms?
2. As a practical matter, does it make a difference?
These are not "trick" questions. I am trying to answer them for myself and want to see what others think.
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joel hoffman
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
Two questions:
1. When the government makes "multiple awards" pursuant to FAR 16.505(c)(1), is it---
(A) awarding a single contract with multiple parties, each of which is severally liable or
(B) establishing a pool of multiple separate contracts with the same terms?
2. As a practical matter, does it make a difference?
These are not "trick" questions. I am trying to answer them for myself and want to see what others think.
Does each award to a pool member have a separate contract number. If so, (B) applies. If no, then it would seem that (A) applies. As a practical matter, I would thank it is administratively difficult, if not impossible to have one contract and one contract number with multiple contractors when dealing with contracting software programs, databases, keeping track of separate funding, DFAS, segregating writing and tracking correspondence, performance evaluations. etc.
I don’t know the answer but highly suspect that each pool member has a unique contract number.
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joel hoffman
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Ok: “
“16.504
...(c) Multiple award preference-
(1)Planning the acquisition.(i) Except for indefinite-quantity contracts for advisory and assistance services as provided in paragraph (c)(2) of this section, the contracting officer must, to the maximum extent practicable, give preference to making multiple awards of indefinite-quantity contracts under a single solicitation for the same or similar supplies or services to two or more sources.”
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
@joel hoffman We know from treatises on the law of contracts that the term contract refers to both the agreement between the parties and the document that memorializes the agreement. See Black's Law Dictionary, 11th ed.:
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contract n. (14c) 1. An agreement between two or more parties creating obligations that are enforceable or otherwise recognizable at law . 2. The writing that sets forth such an agreement...
Perhaps different contract numbers reflect the fact that a single agreement with multiple severally liable parties is memorialized in separate documents, not that the separate documents memorialize separate contracts. Separate documents are necessary for administrative purposes.
The reason I'm think about this is the case of CE.ai, Inc., GAO B-418676, July 28, 2020, which was about a MATOC in which 15 awards had been made. In that case the GAO described an interesting fact:
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The maximum value of the SETI contract is $7.5 billion... As relevant here, under the SETI contract the total value of all cost-reimbursement CLINs was capped at $75 million per contract period... At award, the total contract value was distributed equally among awardees, but the agency was was permitted to later "reallocate the capacity amongst the contract holders, if necessary."
Emphasis added.
Why would they need to reallocate the cap among awardees if each of the contracts were a separate agreement? The GAO seems to describe the contract as a single agreement among multiple parties.
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joel hoffman
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern, I found and posted 16.504 (c) while you were composing the above post.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Yeah, I saw it. What was your point? I'm interested in a legal analysis of the matter, not FAR references. Do you think the FAR councils thought about this matter when they wrote 16.504? I don't.
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joel hoffman
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
One solicitation but multiple contracts awarded.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
One contract, multiple contract documents.
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joel hoffman
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
@joel hoffman We know from treatises on the law of contracts that the term contract refers to both the agreement between the parties and the document that memorializes the agreement. See Black's Law Dictionary, 11th ed.:
Perhaps different contract numbers reflect the fact that a single agreement with multiple severally liable parties is memorialized in separate documents, not that the separate documents memorialize separate contracts. Separate documents are necessary for administrative purposes.
The reason I'm think about this is the case of CE.ai, Inc., GAO B-418676, July 28, 2020, which was about a MATOC in which 15 awards had been made. In that case the GAO described an interesting fact:
Emphasis added.
Why would they need to reallocate the cap among awardees if each of the contracts were a separate agreement? The GAO seems to describe the contract as a single agreement among multiple parties.
I don’t know how many they awarded but each contract could have had provisions for coordination between contracts... or perhaps each CLIN was for an individual contractor?
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
"If the order does not exceed the simplified acquisition threshold, the contracting officer need not contact each of the multiple awardees under the contract [singular] before selecting an order awardee if the contracting officer has information available to ensure that each awardee is provided a fair opportunity to be considered for each order."
16.505(b)(1)(ii)
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
I don’t know how many they awarded but each contract could have had provisions for coordination between contracts... or perhaps each CLIN was for an individual contractor?
The contract could have had provisions for coordination among the contractors.
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joel hoffman
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
One contract, multiple contract documents.
Awfully complex contract admin if they do it that way.
At any rate, as we have said before, the FAR is often ambiguous or poorly coordinated.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Just now, joel hoffman said:
Awfully complex contract admin if they do it that way.
Why do you say that? If the contracts were separate, wouldn't reallocation require separate contract mods? Seems to me that one contract would be simpler.
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joel hoffman
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
The contract could have had provisions for coordination among the contractors.
Yes. With a separate CLIN for each contractor, perhaps. That might be what the case language was referring to.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Maybe.
I'm just tinkering with an idea, because of something that came up in a meeting the other day. You're probably right, multiple separate contracts. But I wonder if anyone in policy or if any MATOC COs think about this kind of thing.
Nah.
Thanks for your input. Nobody else seems to have any thoughts.
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joel hoffman
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
Why do you say that? If the contracts were separate, wouldn't reallocation require separate contract mods? Seems to me that one contract would be simpler.
I’m thinking along the lines of databases - tying multiple, separate contractors under one contract number seems unwieldy for contract admin and referencing later.
So, it can be done either way I suspect
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Jamaal Valentine
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
Multiple contracts that are interrelated. The contracts I’m thinking of are entered into with two or more sources pursuant to the same solicitation; share a maximum total value and similar terms (e.g., fair opportunity/competition, minimum guarantees).
I’m sure it could make a difference if I think about it.
*I dislike FAR 2.101’s definition of multiple-award contract, but think it’s an indicator that people aren’t really thinking about what these contract arrangements really are.
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Lionel Hutz
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
FAR 2.101 defines multiple award contract as follows:
Multiple-award contract means a contract that is—
(1) A Multiple Award Schedule contract issued by GSA (e.g., GSA Schedule Contract) or agencies granted Multiple Award Schedule contract authority by GSA (e.g., Department of Veterans Affairs) as described in FAR part 38;
(2) A multiple-award task-order or delivery-order contract issued in accordance with FAR subpart 16.5, including Governmentwide acquisition contracts; or
(3) Any other indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract entered into with two or more sources pursuant to the same solicitation.
I do not think it answers the question, but it is interesting that paragraph (3) calls out a contract [not contracts] with two or more sources.
Is the "Any other" language from paragraph (3) meant to imply that the FAR 16 contracts referenced paragraph (2) are also a single contracts? i.e., a Multiple-award contract is a single contract with multiple sources and the distinction is whether it is awarded under subpart 16.5 or any other authority.
Or, is "Any other" meant to distinguish between multiple contracts awarded under 16.5 (in accordance with the language cited by Joel), and single contracts with multiple sources under other authority?
I could see an argument either way. In either case, it seems a single contract with multiple sources is contemplated by the FAR.
(Edit: I apologize. I am re-reading this and I did not articulate my thoughts very well. But it is Friday evening, and I'm too tired to rewrite it. Oh well.)
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Vern Edwards
Mar 5, 2021 · 5y ago
@Lionel Hutz I agree that the language in FAR seems to contemplate one contract with multiple parties. I just wish I were confident that the people who wrote the FAR chose their words thoughtfully and with specific intent.
No one I have spoken to has felt confident in their opinion.
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joel hoffman
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
I don’t think that it matters if you can make either method (one contract or multiple contracts) work.
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joel hoffman
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
I don’t think that it matters if you can make either method (one contract or multiple contracts) work.
Important points are simply that there is one solicitation and multiple awards (= awards made to multiple firms).
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Jamaal Valentine
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
If we are going to discuss FAR concerns, the FAR Subpart 4.16 prescribes policies and procedures for assigning unique Procurement Instrument Identifiers (PIID) for each solicitation, contract, agreement, or order and related procurement instrument. Each multiple-award contract is given a unique PIID. The PIID policies and procedures, in practice, don’t align with the single contract concept at FAR 16.505(b)(1)(ii) and FAR 2.101’s definition of multiple-award contract.
What would the contract arrangement be if it wasn’t FAR-based?
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Vern Edwards
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
Important points are simply that there is one solicitation and multiple awards (= awards made to multiple firms).
No, it's not that simple, Joel. There are potential legal and administrative issues that I thought might be of interest to professionals. That's why I asked my first question. But now I'm done with the topic.
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joel hoffman
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
Yes I understand now. An Order is the individual contract action or instrument under the base ID/IQ contract between the government and a pool member contractor.
I can see why there could be a maximum contract limit for the ID/IQ contract and a separate max limit for each contract holder. Each pool member has a guaranteed minimum amount of the single ID/IQ max limit.
Click! Light bulb on.
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C Culham
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
But now I'm done with the topic.
Well shoot. But I will express my opinion anyways. Not a flippant thought either. I think it depends and can be (A) or (B). The FAR holds some legal parameters in its guiding principles but isn't the contract the legal document? So the contract can be anything the parties to the contract(s) want it to be within the parameters of the FAR. As we know in the FAR guiding principles if something is not prevented by law, EO, etc. it is ok. So noting the cited case an agency decided make the multiple award contract what it wanted it to be, closely associated to (B) and there is no prevention of doing so in the FAR. Another agency may want theirs to be more closely associated to (A).
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joel hoffman
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
C Culham said:
Well shoot. But I will express my opinion anyways. Not a flippant thought either. I think it depends and can be (A) or (B). The FAR holds some legal parameters in its guiding principles but isn't the contract the legal document? So the contract can be anything the parties to the contract(s) want it to be within the parameters of the FAR. As we know in the FAR guiding principles if something is not prevented by law, EO, etc. it is ok. So noting the cited case an agency decided make the multiple award contract what it wanted it to be, closely associated to (B) and there is no prevention of doing so in the FAR. Another agency may want theirs to be more closely associated to (A).
I think so too.
I can see where a single task order solicitation is issued to separate ID/IQ contractors, who are awardees, to compete.
However, like the Federal Supply Schedules and other GWACs, one contract with multiple awardees works, using orders. The contract instrument is the order, which incorporates the applicable ID/IQ general terms and conditions. The order provides funding and CLIN(s) for payment and other contract admin mechanisms.
I don’t know where my brain was yesterday.
Another concurrent thread concerning a MATOC was confusing,
There, contractor A had exceeded a ceiling limit but the overall contract capacity (maximum limit) was apparently still open. Orders could be issued to the remaining contractor B.
The OP asked if they still had to provide contractor A the fair opportunity to compete with B for orders, even though no more orders could be issued to A. That question made zero sense to me. It seemed obvious to me - NO. Move on to B. If there weren’t established prices in order to price an order, then negotiate per 15.4.
Then, confusion began, with an answer essentially saying “The limit isn’t really a limit” . The answer seemingly refers to order limits, not a contract ceiling.
Then, when asked, the OP said: “I don't have an answer for "what was the value of the original acquisition" and "what was the maximum on each contractor's contract." Sorry.”
It became obvious that we needed to know what the actual limits and other ordering conditions were. The OP seemed to not understand the difference between order limits, individual contractor maximum contract limits (if any) and the overall contract limit.
Answers came back that stated or implied that the fair opportunity process was still applicable even if a contractor ceiling limit was reached.
I wondered why there were individual (allowed) and overall (required) maximum contract limits if the fair opportunity process overrides the individual maximum limits.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
@C Culham Carl, thanks for the thoughts. I said I was done because I don't want to be an accomplice in one of those endless Wifcon back-and-forths that don't go anywhere.
But I'll respond to your comment.
What prompted me to ask my question was the suspicion that most COs don't think about it. They make multiple awards without ever asking themselves whether they are awarding one contract with multiple parties or multiple separate contracts. I think it's important to think clearly about the matter and to consider its possible implications.
I suspect that most COs, who get little or no formal education or training in contract law from DAU and FAI and do little reading about it on their own, think of "contracts" as documents, not the agreements that the documents memorialize. So they think that different contract numbers mean "different" or "separate" contracts.
Consider the Restatement, Contracts, Second, § 1, Contract Defined: "A contract is a promise or set of promises for the breach of which the law gives a remedy, or the performance of which the law in some way recognizes as a duty."
According to Black's Law Dictionary: "contract n. (14c) 1. An agreement between two or more parties creating obligations that are enforceable or otherwise recognizable at law . 2. The writing that sets forth such an agreement..."
The evidence of an agreement as to promises is not limited to the written document. That is the primary evidence, but not the only evidence. See Burton, Elements of Contract Interpretation (Oxford, 2009) and see the discussion of "extrinsic evidence" in Cibinic, et. al, Administration of Government Contracts, 5th, pp. 177-211. For instance, when it comes to interpreting a contract, a court or board will of course look at the contract document, but it might also consider other facts, such as communications between the parties prior to the dispute.
If a MATOC/MADOC is one contract with multiple contractors, instead of several separate contracts with several contractors, must the CO interpret the contract terms the same way for all parties? If the CO provides an interpretation to one contractor upon request, should she provide that interpretation to the others, as well, even if they have not asked? Should she surreptitiously interpret the contract differently in order to obtain the outcome that works best for the government in its relationship with each of the parties?
If a MATOC/MADOC is several separate contracts, all containing the same terms, may the CO interpret each contract somewhat differently for each contractor depending on the facts associated with each?
Does it make a difference?
I'm not a lawyer and I don't know the answers to those questions. The answers may be obvious to some lawyers, but I think we so-called acquisition or contracting "professionals" should at least wonder about that, investigate, and be proactive instead of waiting to learn about it in court.
FAR is no help. It refers to both "multiple-award contract" (37 instances) and "multiple-award contract_s_" (68 instances). The FAR 2.101 definition of multiple-award contract says:
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Multiple-award contract means a contract that is—
(1) A Multiple Award Schedule contract issued by GSA (e.g., GSA Schedule Contract) or agencies granted Multiple Award Schedule contract authority by GSA (e.g., Department of Veterans Affairs) as described in FAR part 38;
(2) A multiple-award task-order or delivery-order contract issued in accordance with FAR subpart 16.5, including Governmentwide acquisition contracts; or
(3) Any other indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract entered into with two or more sources pursuant to the same solicitation.
Note the use of the indefinite article, "a," which, according to dictionaries, refers to a single thing.
But then you get this, from FAR 15.304(c)(1):
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(ii) In accordance with 10 U.S.C. 2305(a)(3), for DoD, NASA, and the Coast Guard—
(A) The contracting officer may choose not to include price or cost as an evaluation factor for award when a solicitation—
(1) Has an estimated value above the simplified acquisition threshold;
(2) Will result in multiple-award contract_s_ (see subpart 16.5) that are for the same or similar services; and
(3) States that the Government intends to make an award to each and all qualifying offerors (see 2.101).
"A" (singular) solicitation will result in "multiple-award contracts."
The FAR has not won prizes for usage consistency and clarity. And don't presume that the FAR councils have thought this through. They are scribes.
The fact that this matter has not been an issue before a protest tribunal, a board, or a court in the years since the rules about multiple-award contracts were first published in FAR in 1994 doesn't mean that it won't be an issue in the future. All it takes is one article in a law review or legal publication to alert lawyers to possibilities they had not previously considered.
I think it's an interesting question/issue, and I am going to keep researching. I might discover something that I have not yet found. But I'm not going to press for further discussion at Wifcon.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 6, 2021 · 5y ago
One additional thought. If a MATOC or MADOC is one contract with multiple parties, and if one contractor cheats to win an order during a fair opportunity, and if there is a protest, the cheat is discovered, and the protest sustained, would the other contractors have standing to sue the cheater for breach damages in a Federal district court?
Are multiple-award contracts multilateral contracts?
That possibility might interest some people.
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C Culham
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
But I'll respond to your comment.
Thank you, thought provoking.
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formerfed
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
This was a thought provoking discussion. Thanks Vern.
So if you have a $50 million maximum, for example, and you apply it as a cumulative amount in a contract clause applicable to the entire pool of all contract holders, it’s one thing - orders can be placed with contract holders in the pool up to the cumulative maximum. It’s a contract with multiple awards.
But if the $50 million was divided up among the awards such as five awardees each with a clause saying the contract has a $10 million ceiling, it’s something different.
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joel hoffman
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
formerfed said:
This was a thought provoking discussion. Thanks Vern.
So if you have a $50 million maximum, for example, and you apply it as a cumulative amount in a contract clause applicable to the entire pool of all contract holders, it’s one thing - orders can be placed with contract holders in the pool up to the cumulative maximum. It’s a contract with multiple awards.
But if the $50 million was divided up among the awards such as five awardees each with a clause saying the contract has a $10 million ceiling, it’s something different.
Agree. The only reason to state a separate individual maximum amount would be to recognize and account for the guaranteed minimum amounts within the overall maximum contract amount, for r the other pool members.
The individual limit can be modified, if for some reason one or more firms drop out early.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
@C Culham You're welcome, Carl, and thank you, in return.
@formerfed FAR 16.504(a)(1) says
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The contract must require the Government to order and the contractor to furnish at least a stated minimum quantity of supplies or services. In addition, if ordered, the contractor must furnish any additional quantities, not to exceed the stated maximum. The contracting officer should establish a reasonable maximum quantity based on market research, trends on recent contracts for similar supplies or services, survey of potential users, or any other rational basis.
How does that apply to multiple-award contracts (MACs)?
If a MAC consists of one contract with multiple contractor parties
1. The parties might agree that one min for the contract might serve as consideration for all the contractors and that the government is promising to buy the min from any one contractor or some combination of contractors, but not from every contractor. If the parties expressly agree on that point, then it is likely to stand up in court.
2. All parties might agree that the contract max is equal to the program max, and that the government can go to the max with any one contractor or with some combination of contractors, but not with every contractor. (To say that the government could go to the program max with every contractor would seem to violate the FAR requirement for a "reasonable" maximum quantity.)
3. Or all parties could agree on a min for each of the contractors and set one max for the contract, rather than a max for each contractor.
4. Or the parties might agree to set a min and a max for each of the contracting parties. However, the requirement that the max be a reasonable quantity might be interpreted to mean that you must allocate a portion of the program max to each contractor. That might not be in the government's best interest.
If a MAC is consists of multiple independent contracts
If "a" MAC is really a pool of independent contracts, then you need a min and a max for each and it seems reasonable that the max for each could be either the program max or some equitably allocated portion of the program max.
I am well aware that MACs have been in widespread use since the mid-1990s and that there does not seem to have been much if any litigation arising from disagreements over the nature of a MAC, whether "it" is one contract with multiple parties or multiple independent contracts.
Yet.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
@joel hoffman
joel hoffman said:
The only reason to state a separate individual maximum amount would be to recognize and account for the guaranteed minimum amounts within the overall maximum contract amount, for r the other pool members.
The individual limit can be modified, if for some reason one or more firms drop out early. [Emphasis added.]
Joel, please clarify what you are talking about---one contract with multiple parties or multiple independent contracts.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
To all readers:
Please understand that I am speculating about these matters. I am not asserting anything except that I think the FAR is in some ways obscure with respect to the topic at hand. I do not claim to know the answers to the questions that I have posed. I'm just trying to figure things out.
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joel hoffman
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
@joel hoffman
Joel, please clarify what you are talking about---one contract with multiple parties or multiple independent contracts.
I was referring to one contract with multiple parties.
The best way to do it is probably not to bother setting individual maximum limits. Simply state in the single solicitation and resulting contract(s) the max contract limit, which includes minimum guaranteed amounts to each awarded pool member. This would be applicable for single awarded contract or separately awarded contracts, alike.
So you can just say something to the effect that the maximum contract amount is $XXXX, including the minimum guaranteed amounts for all pool members.
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joel hoffman
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
No one contractor in a MATOC can win orders for the max contract amount. So explain that - that’s the short of it.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
No one contractor in a MATOC can win orders for the max contract amount. So explain that - that’s the short of it.
Why not (at least in theory)?
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joel hoffman
Mar 7, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
Why not (at least in theory)?
Because all the guaranteed minimums to other pool members are included in the maximum contract amount
One contractor theoretically can win all orders but you must subtract the guaranteed minimums from the max total
Total contract amount would be sum of all orders plus sum of all guaranteed minimums to the rest of the pool.
So you can just say something to the effect that the maximum contract amount is $XXXX, including the minimum guaranteed amounts for all pool members.
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Neil Roberts
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
I do not know much about Multiple Award Contracts. Here is what Defense Acquisition University (DAU) indicates:
"IDIQ: Multiple Award
A new multiple award IDIQ contract containing the scope of products or services that can be ordered against it may be established and awarded to multiple vendors. When the need arises to place orders against the multiple award contract, all awardees holding a base contract are requested to submit a proposal to provide each contractor a fair opportunity to be considered for each order."
In the above statement, I don't see the consideration that I would normally want to see in order to label it a contract...the Government doesn't seem to be required to order anything and the contractor doesn't seem obligated to even bid on whatever the Government may order.
Per 16.504, it looks like the contractor is required to furnish the minimum. Does this apply to each multiple award contractor? Do the awarded multiple award contracts each include a price for the minimum quantity? If not, what happens if a contractor, for whatever the reason, does not submit any bids for orders? Apparently, under 16.505, the contractor must be awarded the minimum.
What happens in real life?
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Vern Edwards
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
@Neil Roberts
Neil Roberts said:
What happens in real life?
Almost anything you could think of. Nobody knows how each of those contracts actually work over the course of millions of orders each year, not even their administrative contracting officers, and certainly not DAU.
I'm looking for inputs from people who think they know what they are and how they work.
@joel hoffmanThanks.
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C Culham
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
My thinking but not yet a conclusion.
“Multiple Award Contract” One solicitation that results in more than one contract.
“Multiple” – “having or involving several parts, elements, or members” Ref. Online dictionary
“Award” – “To take a bid for a contract” Ref. Online dictionary
“Contract” – “An agreement between two or more parties creating obligations that are enforceable or otherwise recognizable at law . 2. The writing that sets forth such an agreement...” Ref. post by Vern Edwards
Here I believe the definition relates to "an" agreement where it might be say a contractor, the procuring party, and another interested party. For the world of the FAR consider an 8(a) award. Singular contract with more than two parties.
Where in the FAR is the implication of a MAC limited to an IDIQ? Thinking about provisions and clauses of the FAR could not there be several contracts awarded under one solicitation to accomplish the same work, yet defined in each contract is the scope for each contract?
Consider…..
FAR 52.215-1 – “… The Government intends to award a contract or contracts…” and “…The Government reserves the right to make an award on any item for a quantity less than the quantity offered…and “The Government reserves the right to make multiple awards if, after considering the additional administrative costs, it is in the Government’s best interest to do so.”
Here it would seem reasonable that as the government proceeds on any contract that was a result of more than one award under a solicitation that the government could reserve the right to "reallocate the capacity amongst the contract holders****, if necessary." And, absent such a reservation still make it happen through bilateral modification(s).
Then there is this for construction projects.
FAR 52.236-8 – “The Government may undertake or award other contracts for additional work at or near the site of the work under this contract….”
It could be that the coining of the term “MATOC” is the complicating factor. There is no such thing. There is one solicitation that allows for more than one contract to be awarded as a result of the solicitation. It is not a contract with multiple awardees it is a contract that is an award that occurred from a solicitation that allowed for multiple contracts to be awarded as a result of the solicitation.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
@C Culham
I'm confused by two of the entries at the beginning of your last post.
- A multiple-award contract is not a solicitation. According to FAR 2.101 it's a contract.
- Award is the act of accepting an offer.
C Culham said:
Where in the FAR is the implication of a MAC limited to an IDIQ?
In the FAR 2.101 definition of multiple-award contract.
As for FAR 52.215-1, the phrase "make multiple awards" in paragraph (f)(6) does not necessarily mean the same as "award a multiple-award contract." A CO can make multiple awards (award multiple contracts) without awarding a multiple-award contract as defined in FAR 2.101.
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C Culham
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
I'm confused
I stand corrected on No. 1 and your follow-up regarding definition. I should have looked there. The differentiation that you next mention, pursuant specifically to the FAR, is understood.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
@C Culham What do you think? If we could simply decide whether to make a MAC (1) a single agreement with multiple parties or (2) multiple separate agreements, which approach would be in the best interests of all involved?
I guess that in order to answer that question we would have to think through the implications associated with each approach.
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Neil Roberts
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
@C Culham What do you think? If we could simply decide whether to make a MAC (1) a single agreement with multiple parties or (2) multiple separate agreements, which approach would be in the best interests of all involved?
I guess that in order to answer that question we would have to think through the implications associated with each approach.
From a Contractor standpoint, not sure how a single agreement would work for multiple parties. Each Contractor may have different outlooks regarding exceptions to terms and conditions or business matter additions or exceptions. Typically, Contractors prefer not to share their contract language with competitors.
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joel hoffman
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago · edited 5y ago
C Culham said:
FAR 52.236-8 – “The Government may undertake or award other contracts for additional work at or near the site of the work under this contract….”
This clause is used when it is contemplated that other contractors will be working on,adjacent to or near the subject contract site. The contractor is required to cooperate, accommodate and adapt scheduling , etc. so that the separately performed work may be performed concurrently with the contractor’s work.
This is not an example of a multiple award contract - the scopes are distinctly different.
Same is true where the government reserves to the right to split up the overall work between two or more awarded contractors.
The definition of multiple award contracts in Part 2 refers to various forms of ID/IQ contracts.
EDIT: If overlooked Verns post above where he makes similar points. Sorry .
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joel hoffman
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
Neil Roberts said:
From a Contractor standpoint, not sure how a single agreement would work for multiple parties. Each Contractor may have different outlooks regarding exceptions to terms and conditions or business matter additions or exceptions. Typically, Contractors prefer not to share their contract language with competitors.
Neil, Vern is comparing a MATOC arrangement where there is one ID/IQ contract or many separate ID/IQ contracts. Either way, the purpose is to compete for delivery or task orders. For the latter, there is no conflict between the seaparate pool members. The work is ordered and purchased using an order that incorporates the terms and conditions of the Base ID/IQ contract(s) for convenience. The orders are stand alone arrangements.
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C Culham
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
I guess that in order to answer that question we would have to think through the implications associated with each approach.
I agree and close to my original thoughts in my first response where I suggested a "depends".
joel hoffman said:
This is not an example of a multiple award contract - the scopes are distinctly different.
I understand you later noted Vern's post yet I would not buy into this statement 100%. In my experience, while minimal, I have seen the scopes almost be identical. A whole other subject that should not detract from the discussion here.
joel hoffman said:
For the latter, there is no conflict between the seaparate pool members.
I am not sure on this as well. After all I can pull up GSA FSS contract details for 200 different contractors in the same SIN and there are differences.
I think I will disconnect now. The initial question is thought provoking and having surfed GAO decisions and other documents I think it would take a very detailed analysis to come up with a final conclusion. Most importantly I am now bogged down by the fact that the FAR and its guidance is probably most important. Doing something in the commercial market place does not have the constraints the FAR does.
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joel hoffman
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
C Culham said:
I understand you later noted Vern's post yet I would not buy into this statement 100%. In my experience, while minimal, I have seen the scopes almost be identical. A whole other subject that should not detract from the discussion here.
Carl, by definition in FAR 2, multiple award contracts are various types of ID/IQ’s :
”Multiple-award contract means a contract that is—
(1) A Multiple Award Schedule contract issued by GSA (e.g., GSA Schedule Contract) or agencies granted Multiple Award Schedule contract authority by GSA (e.g., Department of Veterans Affairs) as described in FAR part 38;
(2) A multiple-award task-order or delivery-order contract issued in accordance with FAR subpart 16.5, including Governmentwide acquisition contracts; or
(3) Any other indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity contract entered into with two or more sources pursuant to the same solicitation.”
The clause at 52.236-8 Other Contracts, is used in fixed price construction contracts and in fixed price demolition contracts. It is used for the purposes stated in the clause. It has no direction connection with multiple award contracts. It is possible that the clause could be used in two or more task orders for construction work by a member or members of a MATOC that will be concurrently performed near each other. But it doesn’t make separate contracts into MACs.
“52.236-8 Other Contracts.
As prescribed in 36.508, insert the following clause:
Other Contracts (APR 1984)
The Government may undertake or award other contracts for additional work at or near the site of the work under this contract. The Contractor shall fully cooperate with the other contractors and with Government employees and shall carefully adapt scheduling and performing the work under this contract to accommodate the additional work, heeding any direction that may be provided by the Contracting Officer. The Contractor shall not commit or permit any act that will interfere with the performance of work by any other contractor or by Government employees.”
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Don Mansfield
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
I don't know the answer to the original question, but I think that it's interesting that it's common practice to treat the minimum as if the contracts are separate but the maximum is treated as if it's a single contract.
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joel hoffman
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
Don Mansfield posted a comment on a topic, Multiple Award IDIQ Contracts - What are they?
Posted in Multiple Award IDIQ Contracts - What are they?
I don't know the answer to the original question, but I think that it's interesting that it's common practice to treat the minimum as if the contracts...
Don, The maximum is simply the max dollar scope of all orders under the MATOC. The min guarantee is simply that.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
Don Mansfield said:
I don't know the answer to the original question, but I think that it's interesting that it's common practice to treat the minimum as if the contracts are separate but the maximum is treated as if it's a single contract.
What's interesting about it? Do you think it means something?
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Don Mansfield
Mar 8, 2021 · 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
Don Mansfield posted a comment on a topic, Multiple Award IDIQ Contracts - What are they?
Posted in Multiple Award IDIQ Contracts - What are they?
I don't know the answer to the original question, but I think that it's interesting that it's common practice to treat the minimum as if the contracts...
Don, The maximum is simply the max dollar scope of all orders under the MATOC. The min guarantee is simply that.
joel,
Suppose the Government's anticipated requirement was $100M. The solicitation for a MAC states a contract maximum of $100M. The Government makes multiple awards and each IDIQ contract states a maximum of $100M. It doesn't say that $100M is the maximum that could be ordered under all contracts combined.
Fast forward. The Government has issued a total of $100M in orders to multiple MAC contractors, such that no one contractor has received $100M in orders.
If the Government issues another order to one of the MAC contractors, does the contractor have to perform the order? Assume the order would not result in any contractor receiving more than $100M in orders.
Vern Edwards said:
What's interesting about it? Do you think it means something? What?
I think it's indicative that nobody thinks about the distinction that you're making.
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joel hoffman
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Don Mansfield said:
joel,
Suppose the Government's anticipated requirement was $100M. The solicitation for a MAC states a contract maximum of $100M. The Government makes multiple awards and each IDIQ contract states a maximum of $100M. It doesn't say that $100M is the maximum that could be ordered under all contracts combined.
Fast forward. The Government has issued a total of $100M in orders to multiple MAC contractors, such that no one contractor has received $100M in orders.
If the Government issues another order to one of the MAC contractors, does the contractor have to perform the order? Assume the order would not result in any contractor receiving more than $100M in orders.
I think it's indicative that nobody thinks about the distinction that you're making.
I don’t know. The solicitation and the contract are supposed to state the maximum dollar limit of the ID/IQ. You may identify a max for each contractor.
But you must identify the overall max for the ID/IQ. Reference 16.504(a).
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Vern Edwards
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Don Mansfield said:
I think it's indicative that nobody thinks about the distinction that you're making.
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that no COs have thought about the distinction that I'm making. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that no policymakers have thought about it.
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Neil Roberts
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago · edited 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
Neil, Vern is comparing a MATOC arrangement where there is one ID/IQ contract or many separate ID/IQ contracts. Either way, the purpose is to compete for delivery or task orders. For the latter, there is no conflict between the seaparate pool members. The work is ordered and purchased using an order that incorporates the terms and conditions of the Base ID/IQ contract(s) for convenience. The orders are stand alone arrangements.
Joel, is it fair to say that for MATOC (unlike IDIQ Multiple Award Contracts), there is really no "Base ID/IQ contract" for any Contractor because the Government is not required to order anything from any Contractor and no Contractor is required to perform any work, until and unless there is an Order issued to and accepted by a Contractor? In your experience, have Contractors regularly negotiated exceptions to base document(s) before an Order? Thanks.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
Vern is comparing a MATOC arrangement where there is one ID/IQ contract or many separate ID/IQ contracts.
I am asking whether a "multiple-award contract" (MAC) is one contract with multiple parties or multiple independent contracts, and I am wondering what the implications are in either case.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
@Neil Roberts Your phrase:
Neil Roberts said:
for MATOC (unlike IDIQ Multiple Award Contracts)
does not make sense.
MATOC stands for multiple-award task-order contract. A task-order contract is an IDIQ contract for services. See FAR 16.501-1. Thus, a MATOC is a species of multiple-award contract, an IDIQ multiple-award contract for services.
So what are you talking about?
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Neil Roberts
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
@Neil Roberts Your phrase:
does not make sense.
MATOC stands for multiple-award task-order contract. A task-order contract is an IDIQ contract for services. See FAR 16.501-1. Thus, a MATOC is a species of multiple-award contract, an IDIQ multiple-award contract for services.
So what are you talking about?
I am talking about a contract. When it is a contract. Joel indicated that there is a "Base ID/IQ" MATOC contract (where no Order exists). I am asking whether there is really such a contract or whether it is really a contract only when an Order is issued and accepted.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Neil Roberts said:
Joel indicated that there is a "Base ID/IQ" MATOC contract (where no Order exists). I am asking whether there is really such a contract or whether it is really a contract only when an Order is issued and accepted.
In order for there to be an order, there must first be a contract. Think about it. That contract is commonly referred to as the "base contract," although it is a silly term.
And an order placed against an IDIQ contract does not have to be accepted. The contract requires the contractor to perform. See FAR 52.216-22(b), which is a contract clause in an IDIQ contract.
This thread isn't educational. When I started it I assumed that participants would be people with enough background to understand and think about the issues I am raising.
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joel hoffman
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Neil - yeah, “what he said.” I agree with Vern. The term “base ID/IQ contract” is a colloquial expression for the ID/IQ contract whether, MATOC, SATOC, MAC, MACC or whatever acronym you want to use. For a multiple award contract, it establishes a pool of contractors and is the mechanism used to issue task or delivery orders.
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joel hoffman
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Neil Roberts said:
Thanks for the reference to FAR, Vern. It clearly indicates to me that there is no contract until there is an order.
FAR 52.216-22(b) ( nor 52.216-22(a) for that matter) does not indicate, state or hint that “there is no contract until there is an order”. If the contract includes a minimum order obligation, it is a binding contract.
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Jamaal Valentine
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Neil Roberts said:
Joel, is it fair to say that for MATOC (unlike IDIQ Multiple Award Contracts), there is really no "Base ID/IQ contract" for any Contractor because the Government is not required to order anything from any Contractor and no Contractor is required to perform any work, until and unless there is an Order issued to and accepted by a Contractor?
One practical challenge is that the IDIQ creates an obligation, which triggers the Recording Statute and requires certain things within certain timeframes. We commonly see this resolved by issuing an order for the ‘minimum’ concurrent to the award of the base or parent contract. What’s interesting to me is that maybe all parties don’t need to receive separate minimums. If they’re parties to a single contract, perhaps a single awarded minimum is all that’s required (regarding consideration) for contract formation.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Jamaal Valentine said:
One practical challenge is that the IDIQ creates an obligation, which triggers the Recording Statute and requires certain things within certain timeframes. We commonly see this resolved by issuing an order for the ‘minimum’ concurrent to the award of the base or parent contract. What’s interesting to me is that maybe all parties don’t need to receive a minimum if theirs parties to a single contract.
Back in the day, when I awarded IDIQ contracts for supplies, we recorded the obligation for the minimum on the contract document, then assigned those funds to an order or orders via "administrative notice" ("administrative change" today) as we issued them until the minimum was purchased. We did that because we did not always have an immediate requirement on the date of contract award or for some time afterward. Some agencies may still do that. But simultaneous award of the contract and issuance of an order for the minimum seems to be a common practice today.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Jamaal Valentine said:
What’s interesting to me is that maybe all parties don’t need to receive a minimum if theirs parties to a single contract.
I speculated about that in an earlier post in this thread.
I further speculate that a promise (1) to include an offeror in an exclusive pool of contractors and (2) to give them a fair opportunity to compete for sales against only others in the pool could serve as the consideration necessary to bind the parties. If that is right, then there would be no need for the government to promise a minimum purchase from each (or any) contractor in order bind the parties. That being the case, there would be no need to record an obligation of funds on the date of award.
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Neil Roberts
Mar 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
Neil, you're not going to educate others if you are going to say things like there is no IDIQ contract until there is an order. You clearly don't know enough about IDIQ contracts to do any educating.
I didn't start this thread so I could answer questions from people who want to learn about IDIQ contracts. I started it to solicit the opinions of others who know something about the subject, and said so in my first post.
As for your expectations, well, if you say something as wrong as you said in your last post, I'm going to say so, and in no uncertain terms. Expect that.
Ok, Vern. No problem. I would like to let readers to decide for themselves or collaborate with others to decide what this means in FAR 52.216-22 (b) "Delivery or performance shall be made only as authorized by orders..." I didn't post a related question for you to answer, but I am glad you took the time to respond with the FAR reference. I do believe I am qualified by experience and education to answer your initial post here entitled, "Multiple Award IDIQ Contracts-What are they? I think at what point in formulation they are or are not an enforceable contract IS an answer to your question. I look forward to you responding to my views and wish you have no problem with my doing the same. Peace!
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Vern Edwards
Mar 10, 2021 · 5y ago
Neil Roberts said:
I would like to let readers to decide for themselves or collaborate with others to decide what this means in FAR 52.216-22 (b) "Delivery or performance shall be made only as authorized by orders..."
The complete paragraph is:
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Delivery or performance shall be made only as authorized by orders issued in accordance with the Ordering clause. The Contractor shall furnish to the Government, when and if ordered, the supplies or services specified in the Schedule up to and including the quantity designated in the Schedule as the "maximum." The Government shall order at least the quantity of supplies or services designated in the Schedule as the "minimum.
The contractor is obligated from the date of award to deliver what is ordered within the ordering period, and the government is obligated to buy the stipulated minimum. There must be a contract before the government can issue any order and have a right expect the contractor to perform.
The purpose of the first sentence in FAR 52.216-22(b), quoted above, is to stipulate that the Government will pay only for what the Government orders in accordance with the Ordering clause. It is a limitation on the Government's liability.
Neil, I respect you for what you know, and I don't want you to withdraw. But you clearly don't know much about indefinite-delivery contracts. When it comes to IDIQ, read a book to get a clue. Try Formation of Government Contracts, 4th ed, by Cibinic, Nash, and Yukins, pp. 1,386 - 1,406. Learn something before you quibble with people who have been around for a while. (Not that we can't be wrong.)
Start your own post, a place where learners can collaborate with others in study.
Everybody has to start learning at some point. No shame in that.
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Don Mansfield
Mar 10, 2021 · 5y ago
@Neil Roberts This might help--Both the "basic" IDIQ contract and an order under an IDIQ are contracts.
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formerfed
Mar 10, 2021 · 5y ago
On 3/8/2021 at 7:26 PM, Vern Edwards said:
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that no COs have thought about the distinction that I'm making. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that no policymakers have thought about it.
I agree. Until this thread I thought each contract could have a minimum and a clause defining the maximum as a ceiling consisting of cumulative orders placed against all contracts. That became the basis of multiple stand-alone individual contracts.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
@formerfedI think what you will see now if you look at RFPs for MATOCs and MADOCs is one of the following:
- a min is set for each contractor and the program max applies to the pool of contractors; or
- a min is set for each contractor and a share of the program max is allocated to each contractor as its max.
Under 1 and 2, the sum value of all orders cannot exceed the program max.
I have not seen an RFP in which the entire program max was set as the max for each contractor, but I have not seen all the RFPs. I would not think that appropriate if a MATOC/MADOC is one contract with multiple parties, but if it's multiple separate contracts... ?
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here_2_help
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
This is an important thread as the "contract value" impacts the CAS coverage status of both the contract and the contractor.
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C Culham
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
but if it's multiple separate contracts... ?
Well I am probably lost but here is my thinking.
The FAR says this – “The contracting officer should establish a reasonable maximum quantity based on market research, trends on recent contracts for similar supplies or services, survey of potential users, or any other rational basis.”
Isn’t reasonable that there is an outside chance that under every MAC that only one contractor could get all the work that the multiple awards are intended to acquire? So I say that each contract could use the maximum of all the needs even where there is hope that the program will get their needs from the many on the MAC and not just one. I understand ability, capability and capacity of a contractor when it comes to delivery orders but for task orders, where this discussion seems targeted, are these same concerns present?
The government is only obligated with regard to the minimum. Dare I say the minimum they will acquire. For the max there is no obligation, no “will”. There is no guarantee even under fair opportunity that any contractor will get more than their minimum. There is no fiscal obligation beyond the minimum so no issue on fund management, anti-deficiency, etc.. Simply stating a possible wish and a possible “if you win all task/delivery orders contractor” the government might spend $XXXX with you Mr/Mrs contractor.
And then there is the ability to curb hitting the maximum and overextending the abilities of a contractor on a contract where the MAC can also carry maximums with regard to how many individual task/delivery orders in numbers or dollars that a contractor would be forced to accept unilaterally.
I harken back to my read, and a previous post, where more money, at least from data from 5 years back, was spent on single award IDIQs. My guess here is that all the MAC’s have irrelevant maximums anyway. Add in as well the thought that while my read of the discussion does not seem to rope in GSA FSS and how they work, GSA FSS are an example where the max is carried as implied by individual contracts and not the sum total of all the contracts under a specific SIN.
here_2_help said:
This is an important thread as the "contract value" impacts the CAS coverage status of both the contract and the contractor.
Makes me wonder what there are more of…Commercial Item or Non-Commercial Item MACs (not counting GSA FSS)?
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Vern Edwards
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
GSA's OASIS GWAC, which is a MAC, has a minimum, but does not have a maximum. I don't know how that was done. I saw no mention in the contract of a FAR deviation.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
C Culham said:
Isn’t [it] reasonable that there is an outside chance that under every MAC that only one contractor could get all the work that the multiple awards are intended to acquire?
Yes.
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formerfed
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
GSA's OASIS GWAC, which is a MAC, has a minimum, but does not have a maximum. I don't know how that was done. I saw no mention in the contract of a FAR deviation.
I don’t think the FAR requires a maximum. FAR 16.504 uses “should” in saying “The contracting officer should establish a reasonable maximum quantity based on market research, trends on recent contracts for similar supplies or services, survey of potential users, or any other rational basis.”
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joel hoffman
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
It isn’t possible for one contractor in a MAC to be awarded orders for the maximum contract amount, since the other pool members will have guaranteed minimums within the max limit.
However, unless the guaranteed minimums are substantial amounts, that delta probably wouldn’t matter, except if it affects CAS status or if it affects a construction contractor’s bonding capacity.
But one firm could win all the orders.
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ji20874
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago · edited 5y ago
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I don’t think the FAR requires a maximum.
That's an interesting thought.
I think the FAR does require a contract maximum for IDIQ contracts. FAR 16.504 (a) calls for "within stated limits" and (a)(1) calls for a "stated maximum." I think the "should" in (a)(1) cannot be read to eviscerate the requirement for a maximum, and to eviscerate the maximum mentioned in para. (b) of the clause at FAR 52.216-22, Indefinite Quantity. Thus, for me in my practice, the "should" in FAR 16.504(a)(1) merely describes how the maximum should be established.
As I understand, GSA did a deviation (or something else) to provide for no maximum on OASIS.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
formerfed said:
I don’t think the FAR requires a maximum.
I disagree.
FAR implements statute. See 41 USC §§ 4101(1)(A) and (2)(A); 4103(b)(2) and (e); and 4106(f)(1)(A). I don't know how GSA managed a deviation, especially in light of 41 USC 4103(b)(2) and (e). Same requirements in 10 USC.
Have I missed something?
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Vern Edwards
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
Withdrawn.
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ji20874
Mar 11, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
I don't know how GSA managed a deviation, especially in light of 41 USC 4103(b)(2) and (e).
I don't know, either -- I definitely remember hearing a few years ago that something happened to allow a no maximum approach -- but I don't recall if it was a deviation, or an OMB waiver, or a legislative action.
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formerfed
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
I’m still not sure GSA needed a waiver or something else to do GWACS without establishing a ceiling. 41 USC 4103(b) says
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Solicitation.—The solicitation for a task or delivery order contract shall include—
(1)
the period of the contract, including the number of options to extend the contract and the period for which the contract may be extended under each option;
(2)
the maximum quantity or dollar value of the services or property to be procured under the contract; and
(3)
a statement of work, specifications, or other description that reasonably describes the general scope, nature, complexity, and purposes of the services or property to be procured under the contract.
So what if GSA says there isn’t a maximum in response to (2)?
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Well, formerfed, I don't know. And I'm beyond arguing about such stuff at my age. So maybe a maximum of none is okay.
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formerfed
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Just speculating Vern. I don’t know either. I’m guessing GSA did some kind of waiver or sought approval knowing how much attention GWACS get just to be safe. I know a couple GSA people are here so maybe they will chime in.
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C Culham
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
formerfed said:
I don’t think the FAR requires a maximum.
It depends........
From FAR Part 2 - "Should means an expected course of action or policy that is to be followed unless inappropriate for a particular circumstance."
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C Culham
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
It isn’t possible for one contractor in a MAC to be awarded orders for the maximum contract amount, since the other pool members will have guaranteed minimums within the max limit.
Not quite accurate. I did not go looking but I believe one could find decisions where a guaranteed minimum for a particular contract was not realized and the matter was litigated otherwise. In fact that standards of fair opportunity are read with the implication that a contractor may not realize their minimum and in such cases the government could, if they wanted, place an order to satisfy a minimum guarantee. I do not read the FAR as this being a have to.
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joel hoffman
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
David Drabkin or a protégé could answer this. I’m thinking that it is open ended for stated period limit.
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joel hoffman
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
C Culham said:
Not quite accurate. I did not go looking but I believe one could find decisions where a guaranteed minimum for a particular contract was not realized and the matter was litigated otherwise. In fact that standards of fair opportunity are read with the implication that a contractor may not realize their minimum and in such cases the government could, if they wanted, place an order to satisfy a minimum guarantee. I do not read the FAR as this being a have to.
There have been one or more cases where the government was only liable for a portion of the minimum guarantee, when no orders were made, not the entire amount.
my point is that the entire contract amount generally isn’t available for any single pool member. But that would be fairly easy to state in the solicitation and basic ID/IQ.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
joel hoffman said:
my point is that the entire contract amount generally isn’t available for any single pool member. But that would be fairly easy to state in the solicitation and basic ID/IQ.
I think everybody gets what you've said.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Would it be a FAR deviation to incorporate 52.215-1 into a "fair notice of intent" (aka RFTOP) issued pursuant to 16.505(b)(1)?
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joel hoffman
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
I think everybody gets what you've said.
Apparently not. They keep commenting.
C Culham said:
Not quite accurate. I did not go looking but I believe one could find decisions where a guaranteed minimum for a particular contract was not realized and the matter was litigated otherwise. In fact that standards of fair opportunity are read with the implication that a contractor may not realize their minimum and in such cases the government could, if they wanted, place an order to satisfy a minimum guarantee. I do not read the FAR as this being a have to.
The point is not that complex.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Well, for what it's worth, I understand you and agree.
If you have multiple minimums, one for each contractor, and if the minimums counts against the maximum, then, assuming that more than one contractor receives its minimum, no one contractor can receive all of the maximum.
Right?
Now, what about my FAR deviation question, above?
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C Culham
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
formerfed said:
I don’t think the FAR requires a maximum.
It depends........
From FAR Part 2 - "Should means an expected course of action or policy that is to be followed unless inappropriate for a particular circumstance."
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Carl, the requirement for a maximum is statutory. See my post, above. I think formerfed is suggesting that the maximum can be set at zero.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
What about my FAR deviation question, above? Anybody got any ideas in that regard?
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DWGerard1102
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
This question has not been overlooked in the contractor community but it has also not been answered as far as I can see.
I review subcontracting plans for multiple award contracts (one solicitation with separate contracts for each awardee), and the subcontracting plans vary depending on what the contractor thinks the "total" contract amount in the SubK plan is. Some think it is the whole contract amount or maximum for the MAC, others think it is a subset of the maximum and other punt say they cannot figure what the total contract amount and have the Government tell them what to put into that area of their plan.
This situation has been around for at least 8 years now, for that is the time that I have been in the PCR role and it has always been that way. Perhaps one day their will be an answer on how to resolve how MACs should be administered, but that day has not come yet.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
@DWGerard1102 I'm surprised that COs don't stipulate an amount against which all competitors must plan. Do you know of any who do that?
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ji20874
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern,
My practice has always been to establish an identical minimum and a maximum for each multiple-award IDIQ contract. Generally, I might set a contract maximum at half or two-thirds of the program's estimated maximum volume or quantity.
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C Culham
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
Would it be a FAR deviation to incorporate 52.215-1 into a "fair notice of intent" (aka RFTOP) issued pursuant to 16.505(b)(1)?
I will take a swing.
No. Fair opportunity is a competitive environment and GAO has reasoned that FAR part 15 can be applied to task order competitions.
References -
FAR 15.002
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DWGerard1102
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
@DWGerard1102 I'm surprised that COs don't stipulate an amount against which all competitors must plan. Do you know of any who do that?
None of the KO's that I have worked with via the Small Business Specialists have done that. I have recommended it but the closest that I have seen is where the KO issued a sample task order or statement of work for them to submit a proposed cost for and then they used that cost to build their subcontracting plan. That does not happen in all of the plans that I have to review. If I was the KO, that is how I would set up the subcontracting plan part of the question; but that does not answer the OP question.
If it was up to me, I would state specifically what the minimum awards would be and then communicate that in a competitive arena, the best value proposal would win without regard to how many awards went to any specific contractor. One contractor could very well win all of the maximum funding for the contract less the minimum awards. Not all contracting offices would agree with me on that, I have worked with some that insist that all contractors should receive awards. I have asked how they would deal with one contractor consistently not submitting the best proposal and they could not really answer that question.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
@C CulhamThanks, Carl. I don't think GAO has ever ruled on the question of whether application of Part 15 procedures to fair opportunities under 16.505(b) via 52.215-1 is a FAR deviation requiring approval.
GAO has said that Part 15 does not govern, but has acknowledged in at least 27 decisions that agencies apply it, and they say they will enforce such applications.
I don't think the application of Part 15 to fair opportunities has ever been challenged, and I believe that GAO is unlikely to take up the issue s_ua sponte_.
Have I missed a decision? The one you cite doesn't address the issue I have raised.
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Vern Edwards
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
@DWGerard1102 Thanks, DW. Interesting perspective and ideas.
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C Culham
Mar 12, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
Have I missed a decision? The one you cite doesn't address the issue I have raised.
You have not. The decision implies application of part 15 but like you I could not find a decision specific to the issue. My "no" leaned more on the FAR reference than the decision.
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FrankJon
Mar 24, 2021 · 5y ago
On 3/5/2021 at 9:34 AM, Vern Edwards said:
Two questions:
1. When the government makes "multiple awards" pursuant to FAR 16.505(c)(1), is it---
(A) awarding a single contract with multiple parties, each of which is severally liable or
(B) establishing a pool of multiple separate contracts with the same terms?
2. As a practical matter, does it make a difference?
These are not "trick" questions. I am trying to answer them for myself and want to see what others think.
Based on a FAR Case that @Don Mansfield shared with me in November on a topic pertaining to the award of multiple/split requirements contracts, my responses are:
(1) a single contract with multiple parties; and
(2) I don't know about IDIQs, but in the context of requirements contracts, it matters.
In 2010, the FAR Council explained FAR Case 2008-006, in part, as follows:
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Requirements contracts. The Councils amended the language at FAR 16.503(a) to clarify that a requirements contract is awarded to one contractor. This change is made to dispel the implication at FAR 16.503(b)(2) that a requirements contract may be awarded to multiple sources.
Despite this, they left FAR 52.216-21 Alt. III in place. This states:
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(c) The Government’s requirements for each item or subitem of supplies or services described in the Schedule are being purchased through one non-set-aside contract and one set-aside contract. Therefore, the Government shall order from each Contractor approximately one-half of the total supplies or services specified in the Schedule that are required to be purchased by the specified Government activity or activities. The Government may choose between the set-aside Contractor and the non-set-aside Contractor in placing any particular order. However, the Government shall allocate successive orders, in accordance with its delivery requirements, to maintain as close a ratio as is reasonably practicable between the total quantities ordered from the two Contractors.
On one hand the Council is stating that "a" requirements contract cannot "be awarded to multiple sources." On the other, it permits the award of 2 distinct requirements contracts for the same subject matter. Based on the use of the singular in the former, I believe what distinguishes these ideas is that "multiple-award" refers to one contract that is "shared" among parties. I also think this idea extends to IDIQs, though I don't know whether this "matters" for IDIQs. But it does matter in the context of two or more requirements contracts, as we want to avoid the fair opportunity requirements of FAR 16.505(b).
It's nice to see you "unretired" from Wifcon, Vern. We spoke a bit at the 2019 N&CR Roundtable, a million years ago. You advised me to avoid outings with birders at all costs. 😉
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Vern Edwards
Mar 25, 2021 · 5y ago
@FrankJon Hey Frank! Good input. Thanks!
I have softened a little on the birding thing. I don't remember if we spoke after I got back from Iceland or Ireland. Probably Iceland. I had a great experience on both trips, but I had a sensational birder experience on the Saltee Islands off Ireland, one I'll never forget. So good, in fact, that I went back to Ireland for a longer visit about four months later.
But I still have little patience for standing around looking through binoculars for hours at a time while people whisper, "There it is! There it is!" referring to something only a little bigger than a golf ball. I don't have an infantryman's eyes anymore.
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here_2_help
Apr 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Sensitized by this topic, I was interested to see that in the daily DOD list of contracts for April 8, 2021, the Army (ACC, Aberdeen Proving Ground) awarded five unique contracts to five contractors, each in the same amount of $25,000,000. Each contract was described as being of the type called "order dependent," which is a term I have not seen before.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
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HUBZone Headquarters Inc.,* Virginia Beach, Virginia, was awarded a $25,000,000 order-dependent contract to create and strengthen networks that connect the Combat Capabilities Development Command with academia, industry and government agencies to facilitate the exchange of scientific ideas, the production of knowledge and the development of a STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) workforce. Bids were solicited via the internet with 12 received. Work locations and funding will be determined with each order, with an estimated completion date of April 7, 2026. U.S. Army Contracting Command, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland, is the contracting activity (W911NF-21-D-0005).
Again, I'm not sure what an "order dependent" contract is, but it seems to be akin to an ID/IQ or requirements contract. So I thought it was worth mentioning here. In this case, five individual contracts to five individual contractors were awarded. Each has the same $25M contract value, so I have to assume the Army is willing to issue up to $25M in future orders to each contractor, for a cumulative award of $125M.
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Vern Edwards
Apr 9, 2021 · 5y ago
After a little research, I think they are other transaction (OTA) awards that resulted from broad agency announcements. They appear to be IDIQ-type contracts that are not subject to FAR Subpart 16.5 and other IDIQ rules.
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here_2_help
Apr 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Vern Edwards said:
After a little research, I think they are other transaction (OTA) awards that resulted from broad agency announcements. They appear to be IDIQ-type contracts that are not subject to FAR Subpart 16.5 and other IDIQ rules.
Thank you, Vern. A follow-up question: Is it usual to award five apparently identical contracts in the same amount to five offerors who are responding to a BAA? In my (limited) experience, that has not been the case.
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Vern Edwards
Apr 9, 2021 · 5y ago
here_2_help said:
Thank you, Vern. A follow-up question: Is it usual to award five apparently identical contracts in the same amount to five offerors who are responding to a BAA? In my (limited) experience, that has not been the case.
It's not unusual.
The program is as follows:
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Army Futures Command (AFC) requires the Awardee to collaboratively prototype the Army’s first Soldier-led Software Factory. The Factory shall be staffed, built, and operated from zero existing infrastructure or policy precedent, to ultimately transition to Army self-sustaining operation as a fully-soldier/Army civilian-run agile software development unit without reliance on contracted presence. The Factory will train using a wide range of cross-cutting, loosely-scoped problem sets for software development and the Factory must organize, train, and operate in-line with modern commercial technology standards prototyping a reproducible force design and associated processes for widespread implementation in the future operating environment.
DOD is scared to death of falling behind China in the development of hi-tech weaponry. This program is apparently designed to improve the Army's capability in that regard.
The award of five more or less identical contracts is an example of competitive prototyping. That approach is not at all unusual at the outset of a development program and has long been in use. The Army apparently wants to develop a software "factory," and it has given five firms money to develop competitive prototypes. In the long run they will probably choose one or more firm/factory for long-term funding and operation based on program performance.
The Army used broad agency announcements and OTAs to bypass the b***s*** in FAR Part 6, Part 15, and Subpart 16.5.
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Vern Edwards
Apr 9, 2021 · 5y ago
@here_2_helpI have attached more info about the Army's program.
Army Software Factory Prototypes.pdf
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here_2_help
Apr 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Thank you, Vern -- fascinating stuff
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formerfed
Apr 9, 2021 · 5y ago
Sooner or later a big portion of the government’s acquisition system needs revised. DoD and a few civilian agencies successfully use OTAs for things like this cited program. It is important for DoD to not fall behind China and other nations. But much of the rest of government needs similar flexibilities whether it’s fighting viruses, drug interdiction, border protection, or natural disaster relief. Processes like OTA allows innovation and creative solutions from a broad range of sources and not just traditional ones that know how to deal with the government.
Of course, this means a government workforce that can handle the changes. One scary thing that keeps coming up are thoughts like standardizing OTAs so they become more uniform and employees can be better trained. But standardized practices can lead to more oversight, more criticism, more policy to correct perceived problems, and even greater structuring to the point where all flexibility is gone.
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Vern Edwards
Apr 9, 2021 · 5y ago
We are prisoners of our own devices.